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J Craig
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The Worst Restaurant Foods for Kids
By Dave Zinczenko and Matt Goulding, Men's Health
Men's Health


Childhood obesity rates in America have tripled since 1980. Today, 16
percent of children between the ages of 6 and 19 are overweight or obese.
In addition to those 9 million children who are already in trouble, an
additional 15 percent of American kids are classified as “at risk of
becoming overweight or obese.”

We’re not just talking baby fat here—70 percent of overweight adolescents
end up overweight or obese in adulthood. And since obesity increases your
odds of heart attack, stroke, and early death of all causes (sometimes by
as much as 33 percent), consider the impact of an entire generation of
overweight children on our country’s health care system—and families. It’s
a chilling thought, especially if one of those children is your own.

In spite of these terrifying statistics, the restaurant industry has done
little to help combat the problem. If anything, the overstuffed, fat- and
calorie-packed kids’ meals on many chain restaurants’ menus indicate that
they’re just making things worse. What’s even more frustrating is that it’s
hard to tell how good—or atrocious—any particular food item can be just by
looking at the name. Who knew a kids’ turkey burger could pack half a day’s
worth of calories? Or a simple plate of spaghetti and red sauce could have
the sodium equivalent of FOUR large orders of McDonald’s french fries?
Luckily, Eat This, Not That! is here to help you order smart and sensible
food for your children when you’re eating away from home. Skip these
dietary disasters to help keep your kids lean, strong, and healthy.

Worst Kids’ Side: Bob Evans Smiley Face Potatoes

524 calories
31 g fat (6 g saturated, 0 g trans)
646 mg sodium
57 g carbs

Not even an extended bath in hot oil could wipe the grins from the faces of
these creepy-looking potatoes. When eating out, side dishes make or break a
meal, and with more fat and calories than Bob’s Sirloin Steak, this side
falls woefully into the latter category. Let this be a lesson to all the
kids out there: Just because they’re smiling doesn’t mean they’re nice.
Choose the Home Fries instead for a fraction the calories and a quarter the
fat.

Eat This, Instead: Home Fries

86 calories
7 g fat (1 g saturated)
547 mg sodium
27 g carbs
Worst Kids’ Sandwich: Au Bon Pain Kids’ Grilled Cheese

670 calories
41 g fat (25 g saturated, 0.5 g trans)
1,060 mg sodium
Au Bon Pain turns a simple sandwich into a complicated mess—this grilled
cheese has as much saturated fat as 25 strips of bacon! The Au Bon Pain
kids’ menu contains just as many items over 500 calories as under, so it’s
important to be vigilant. Choose the small mac ‘n cheese to satisfy your
kid’s cheese cravings for a mere one-third the calories and none of the
heart-harming trans fats. And to keep your own diet trans fat-free, avoid
any item on this list of the trans-fattiest foods in America.

Eat This, Instead: Kids’ Macaroni and Cheese

250 calories
14 g fat (9 g saturated, 0 g trans)
Worst Kids’ Mexican Meal: On the Border Cheese Quesadilla

850 calories
66 g fat (26 g saturated)
1,250 mg sodium
26 g carbs
This quesadilla accounts for half the calories your child should consume in
an entire day (that’s nearly 3 McDonald’s cheeseburgers, for comparison).
It also comes super-stuffed with sodium, which is especially bad for kids
because it makes them thirsty, which means they’re more likely to drink an
excess of super-sweetened, high-calorie fruit juice or soda to compensate.
Talk about a real diet disaster. Choose a soft chicken taco, but order it
without the fat- and calorie-packed rice and beans.

Eat This, Instead: Soft Chicken Taco

250 calories
11 g fat (4.5 g saturated)
910 mg sodium
24 g carbs
Worst Kids’ “Healthy” Burger: Ruby Tuesday Kids' Turkey Minis and Fries

873 calories
46 g fat
88 g carbs
(Sodium content not listed)
In a perfect world, ground turkey is leaner than ground beef and a turkey
burger is a decent thing to feed your kid. But Ruby Tuesday finds a way to
confound all expectations by cramming half a day’s worth of calories into
these tiny burgers. We chose the turkey version because it presents itself
as a healthier alternative to the beef burgers, but in reality it has only
44 fewer calories than the mini-cheeseburger with fries. Not exactly a
“healthy” alternative at all. Discover other atrocious “health” foods on
our list of the 14 worst “healthy” foods in America.

Eat This, Instead: Chop Steak with Mashed Potatoes

403 calories
30 g fat
15 g carbs

Worst Kids’ Spaghetti: Romano’s Macaroni Grill Fettuccine Alfredo

890 calories
67 g fat (38 g saturated)
1,450 mg sodium
53 g carbs
This simple dish of spaghetti and white sauce serves up nearly
three-fourths of your kid’s daily sodium allowance—or, about as much salt
as you’d find in 4 large orders of McDonald’s french fries. It’s also
packed with saturated fat and has the caloric equivalent of 6 Hostess
Twinkies. Order a kids’ cheese pizza to trim nearly half the calories away.
Discover other cool calorie-saving tricks from 10 ways to make fast-food
healthy.

Eat This, Instead: Mona Lisa’s Cheese Masterpizza

480 calories
14 g fat (8 g saturated)
940 mg sodium
62 g carbs
Worst Kids’ Drink: Baskin Robbins Made with M&M’s shake (small)

980 calories
36 g fat (22 g saturated, 1 g trans)
129 g sugars
153 g carbs
It’s a marvel of modern food science that Baskin Robbins can fit this much
fat and sugar into a 16-ounce cup. To do so, it took a reckless sense of
abandon and over 70 ingredients (including many from this list of the most
controversial food additives). All told, it has more calories than 4 packs
of M&Ms and as much sugar as you’ll find in 13 Krispy Kreme Original Glazed
Doughnuts! A word of warning about super-sweetened drinks: the average
American consumes an extra 400 calories from sugar-sweetened beverages
every day. The fastest way to see your kid’s belly grow is to feed him
super-sweetened juices, smoothies, sodas and milkshakes. The Drink This,
Instead: Smoothie should be consumed only as a dessert, and only on very
special occasions.

Drink This, Instead: Strawberry Citrus Fruit Blast (small)

350 calories
1 g fat (0 g saturated, 0 g trans)
85 g sugars
89 g carbs
Worst Kids’ Meal in America: Chili’s Pepper Pals Little Chicken Crispers
with Ranch Dressing and Homestyle Fries

1,110 calories
82 g fat (15 g saturated)
1,980 mg sodium
56 g carbs
Most kids, if given the choice, would live on chicken fingers for the
duration of their childhood. If those chicken fingers happened to come from
Chili’s, it might be a pretty short life. A moderately active 8-year-old
boy should eat around 1,600 calories a day. This single meal plows through
75 percent of that allotment. So unless he plans to eat carrots and celery
sticks for the rest of the day (and we know he doesn’t), find a healthier
chicken alternative. Chili’s Pepper Pals menu has one of the most extensive
collections of kids’ entrees and side dishes in America, all of which prove
considerably healthier than this fried chicken disaster.

Eat This, Instead: Pepper Pals Grilled Chicken Platter with Cinnamon Apples

340 calories
8 g fat (2.5 g saturated)
755 mg sodium
38 g carbs
The trouble with your kids’ waistlines isn’t limited to fat-packed entrees
and oil-dripping sides. Avoid any of these 14 worst “healthy” smoothies no
matter how much your kid begs. As for food that you can feed your kids,
check out our list of the best foods for kids. It should show you that the
battle with the bulge isn’t over yet.

Provided by Men's Health
Ragner
2009-04-29 00:12:44 UTC
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Childhood obesity rates in America have tripled since 1980.
This is due to genetics.
Willow Herself
2009-04-29 00:48:57 UTC
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The Worst Restaurant Foods for Kids
By Dave Zinczenko and Matt Goulding, Men's Health
Men's Health
Childhood obesity rates in America have tripled since 1980.
This is due to genetics.
Sure, as long as eating fries and burgers, and sugary drinks, and hot dog is
a genetic issue..
Stephanie
2009-04-29 01:01:15 UTC
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The Worst Restaurant Foods for Kids
By Dave Zinczenko and Matt Goulding, Men's Health
Men's Health
Childhood obesity rates in America have tripled since 1980.
This is due to genetics.
Genetic makeup of the population has changed such since 1980! Amazing! That
turns science on its head.
Kate XXXXXX
2009-04-29 08:47:52 UTC
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The Worst Restaurant Foods for Kids
By Dave Zinczenko and Matt Goulding, Men's Health
Men's Health
Childhood obesity rates in America have tripled since 1980.
This is due to genetics.
Genetic makeup of the population has changed such since 1980! Amazing! That
turns science on its head.
Cloff! Tea on monitor...

GMNT (then aged 5) ordered rare steak in pubs and restaurants. And
fresh veg or salad rather than baked beans. He likes chips (fries), but
has been known to abandon those that are not up to scratch.

He always preferred real food to the crap on 'kids menus'. Give him a
choice of the pub that offers home made lasagna and a decent steak, or
McDeadstuff, he'll choose the pub.
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Hoots
2009-04-29 11:37:07 UTC
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http://health.msn.com/nutrition/articlepage.aspx?cp-documentid=100237479&GT
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The Worst Restaurant Foods for Kids
By Dave Zinczenko and Matt Goulding, Men's Health
Men's Health
Childhood obesity rates in America have tripled since 1980.
This is due to genetics.
Genetic makeup of the population has changed such since 1980! Amazing!
That turns science on its head.
Cloff! Tea on monitor...
GMNT (then aged 5) ordered rare steak in pubs and restaurants. And
fresh veg or salad rather than baked beans. He likes chips (fries), but
has been known to abandon those that are not up to scratch.
He always preferred real food to the crap on 'kids menus'. Give him a
choice of the pub that offers home made lasagna and a decent steak, or
McDeadstuff, he'll choose the pub.
Hey!

What do you mud islanders put in your baked beans? I was wondering if
they were different than the ones we have in the US.
Kate XXXXXX
2009-04-29 13:29:34 UTC
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The Worst Restaurant Foods for Kids
By Dave Zinczenko and Matt Goulding, Men's Health
Men's Health
Childhood obesity rates in America have tripled since 1980.
This is due to genetics.
Genetic makeup of the population has changed such since 1980!
Amazing! That turns science on its head.
Cloff! Tea on monitor...
GMNT (then aged 5) ordered rare steak in pubs and restaurants. And
fresh veg or salad rather than baked beans. He likes chips (fries),
but has been known to abandon those that are not up to scratch.
He always preferred real food to the crap on 'kids menus'. Give him a
choice of the pub that offers home made lasagna and a decent steak, or
McDeadstuff, he'll choose the pub.
Hey!
What do you mud islanders put in your baked beans? I was wondering if
they were different than the ones we have in the US.
Less of the mud, mate! We have rocks too, you know! ;)

A pale and rather bland canned substitute. Having once had *real* baked
beans made by the American mum of one of my sister's friends (long ago
in my dim and distant childhood as an RAF brat), I have to say the two
are as distantly related as Gekos and T Rex. I remember them being
closer to a French Cassolet than Heinze Little Red Beans (hoc! Ptui!).

Must dig out genuine USAian baked bean recipe.. Do you have a good one?
BB seem to be a bit like Lancashire Hotpot over here - every family
has its own, slightly different, method of doing it.
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Hoots
2009-04-30 12:20:59 UTC
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The Worst Restaurant Foods for Kids
By Dave Zinczenko and Matt Goulding, Men's Health
Men's Health
Childhood obesity rates in America have tripled since 1980.
This is due to genetics.
Genetic makeup of the population has changed such since 1980!
Amazing! That turns science on its head.
Cloff! Tea on monitor...
GMNT (then aged 5) ordered rare steak in pubs and restaurants. And
fresh veg or salad rather than baked beans. He likes chips (fries),
but has been known to abandon those that are not up to scratch.
He always preferred real food to the crap on 'kids menus'. Give him
a choice of the pub that offers home made lasagna and a decent steak,
or McDeadstuff, he'll choose the pub.
Hey!
What do you mud islanders put in your baked beans? I was wondering if
they were different than the ones we have in the US.
Less of the mud, mate! We have rocks too, you know! ;)
A pale and rather bland canned substitute. Having once had *real* baked
beans made by the American mum of one of my sister's friends (long ago
in my dim and distant childhood as an RAF brat), I have to say the two
are as distantly related as Gekos and T Rex. I remember them being
closer to a French Cassolet than Heinze Little Red Beans (hoc! Ptui!).
Must dig out genuine USAian baked bean recipe.. Do you have a good one?
BB seem to be a bit like Lancashire Hotpot over here - every family has
its own, slightly different, method of doing it.
I have had cassoulet made in the area that made cassoulet famous, and I
love it. But it is different than what we make here.

American style baked beans are good, too. I don't have a real recipe - I
just add whatever I'm in the mood for or that is handy.

This recipe:

http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/dave-lieberman/baked-beans-recipe/index.html

is close. I typically use already made canned baked beans, sauce and
all, and dress them up. I throw them in the microwave or oven depending
on what's happening.

Bacon is best in them and we're talking the American style rashers or
whatever. Small pieces cooked and drained added with chopped sauteed
onion, sometimes molasses or brown sugar.

Smoked sausage works too.
Kate XXXXXX
2009-04-30 21:59:36 UTC
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I have had cassoulet made in the area that made cassoulet famous, and I
love it. But it is different than what we make here.
Cassoulet made with confit d'oie is the best... With added slivers of
truffle... A couple of holidays on the Dordogne made me an addict, but
these days I can't manage the fats, so I have to work on a leaner version...
Post by Hoots
American style baked beans are good, too. I don't have a real recipe - I
just add whatever I'm in the mood for or that is handy.
http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/dave-lieberman/baked-beans-recipe/index.html
is close. I typically use already made canned baked beans, sauce and
all, and dress them up. I throw them in the microwave or oven depending
on what's happening.
Lovely. That I can work with.
Post by Hoots
Bacon is best in them and we're talking the American style rashers or
whatever. Small pieces cooked and drained added with chopped sauteed
onion, sometimes molasses or brown sugar.
What are American style rashers like? I want to know how they differ
from things like yer syandard British short back and streaky, or the
Scots Ayreshire bacon.
Post by Hoots
Smoked sausage works too.
I can get a low fat version of a German smoked sausage that might do.

Do you use red (kidney) beans, or white (haricot) type beans? Either
works for me. I love both.
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I have had cassoulet made in the area that made cassoulet famous, and
I love it. But it is different than what we make here.
Cassoulet made with confit d'oie is the best... With added slivers of
truffle... A couple of holidays on the Dordogne made me an addict, but
these days I can't manage the fats, so I have to work on a leaner version...
Post by Hoots
American style baked beans are good, too. I don't have a real recipe -
I just add whatever I'm in the mood for or that is handy.
http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/dave-lieberman/baked-beans-recipe/index.html
is close. I typically use already made canned baked beans, sauce and
all, and dress them up. I throw them in the microwave or oven
depending on what's happening.
Lovely. That I can work with.
Post by Hoots
Bacon is best in them and we're talking the American style rashers or
whatever. Small pieces cooked and drained added with chopped sauteed
onion, sometimes molasses or brown sugar.
What are American style rashers like? I want to know how they differ
from things like yer syandard British short back and streaky, or the
Scots Ayreshire bacon.
Post by Hoots
Smoked sausage works too.
I can get a low fat version of a German smoked sausage that might do.
Do you use red (kidney) beans, or white (haricot) type beans? Either
works for me. I love both.
Here's a guy who talks about American bacon vs other county's bacon:

http://www.tonychor.com/archive/2006_08.html

his commentary, along with a picture starts a little over halfway down
the page.

Personally, this is the way I *really* like bacon. :-)

http://www.freewilliamsburg.com/archives/2009/02/the_bacon_taked.html

Truthfully, I hardly ever eat bacon and use it mainly for flavoring
things like baked beans. I still have a package in the freezer I have
been using for over a year. This kind:

http://www.hormelfoods.com/brands/hormel/BlackLabelBacon.aspx

I like red beans, kidney beans, white beans. Just no lima or
butterbeans. Starting with canned baked beans or even plain pork and
beans helps speed up the process, but isn't necessary - you can soak the
beans and start from scratch if you like - and witnessing you in action,
you'll probably start by growing them. :-)
gdx
2009-04-29 06:25:46 UTC
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The Worst Restaurant Foods for Kids
By Dave Zinczenko and Matt Goulding, Men's Health
Men's Health
Childhood obesity rates in America have tripled since 1980.
This is due to genetics.
Genetic makeup of the population has changed such since 1980! Amazing! That
turns science on its head.
Yes ... always blame genetics, and of course, when science "proves" it
we are instant converts!
Science also gave us aerosol sprays that killed the ozone, anway..

"My kid is morbidly obese" ... "I'll get him the newest xbox, wii, pc,
cellphone, playstation" and then the already over-indulged brat gets
taken to Mc D's for comfort food.

Genetics: 0 Poor Parenting: 1

Get them walking, cycling, RUNNING ..... get them out of the house for
heaven's sakes!
They don't need to sit 24/7

bad genes, if there are any can be really helped by a tad of physical
activity.
Sure, they won't become six pack -toting models overnight, but they
will be healthier.
r***@live.com
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Men's Health
Childhood obesity rates in America have tripled since 1980.
This is due to genetics.
Whoa, not entirely there troll. Many people are genetically
predisposed toward weight gain and unfortunately that is a scientific
and medical fact but that is not the entire issue. If you take those
said people and change their diet to processed high calorie laden
foods and change their activity levels to a more sedentary lifestyle
like we see today, you have the recipe for an increasingly fatter
population of people.

Why is this simple concept so hard for dumb fucktard trolls like you
to understand?

Ragnar
Cara
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The Worst Restaurant Foods for Kids
By Dave Zinczenko and Matt Goulding, Men's Health
Men's Health
Childhood obesity rates in America have tripled since 1980.
This is due to genetics.
Whoa, not entirely there troll. Many people are genetically
predisposed toward weight gain and unfortunately that is a scientific
and medical fact but that is not the entire issue. If you take those
said people and change their diet to processed high calorie laden
foods and change their activity levels to a more sedentary lifestyle
like we see today, you have the recipe for an increasingly fatter
population of people.
Why is this simple concept so hard for dumb fucktard trolls like you
to understand?
The concept of gluttony and sloth.
Lady Veteran
2009-04-30 15:26:41 UTC
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The Worst Restaurant Foods for Kids
By Dave Zinczenko and Matt Goulding, Men's Health
Men's Health
Childhood obesity rates in America have tripled since 1980.
This is due to genetics.
Whoa, not entirely there troll. Many people are genetically
predisposed toward weight gain and unfortunately that is a scientific
and medical fact but that is not the entire issue. If you take those
said people and change their diet to processed high calorie laden
foods and change their activity levels to a more sedentary lifestyle
like we see today, you have the recipe for an increasingly fatter
population of people.
Why is this simple concept so hard for dumb fucktard trolls like you
to understand?
The concept of gluttony and sloth.
Two of the so-called 7 deadly sins invented by the Catholic Church,
land of racist doctrine and boy-hungry priests with a self serving
leadership.

That really is a great resume of credibility on that is morally sound.
Gluttony as ANYTHING TO EXCESS, including idiots who are obsessed with
fat people to come into SSFA and have their but handed to them when
everyone is watching. How excessive can you be.

As for sloth, it as little to do with laziness and more to do with
depression and despair, two things looked upon as a sin by the
Catholic Church. In their logic, if one is sad and depressed, they
have lost their faith in God and that is a sin.

I respect individual Catholics who are sincere to their faith but has
no respect for the Church or its leadership. It is entirely self
serving, just like the idiots on SSFA.

LV

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2009-04-30 19:10:19 UTC
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The Worst Restaurant Foods for Kids
By Dave Zinczenko and Matt Goulding, Men's Health
Men's Health
Childhood obesity rates in America have tripled since 1980.
This is due to genetics.
Whoa, not entirely there troll. Many people are genetically
predisposed toward weight gain and unfortunately that is a scientific
and medical fact but that is not the entire issue. If you take those
said people and change their diet to processed high calorie laden
foods and change their activity levels to a more sedentary lifestyle
like we see today, you have the recipe for an increasingly fatter
population of people.
Why is this simple concept so hard for dumb fucktard trolls like you
to understand?
The concept of gluttony and sloth.- Hide quoted text -
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NO, the inability to read and comprehend. lol.

Ragnar
The Master
2009-04-30 19:41:40 UTC
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NO, the inability to read and comprehend. lol.
Ragnar. What you should be doing is sit back and watch the trolls act
like the rabid dogs they are. I droped the seeds, now watch them grow...
Sal Cappacola
2009-04-30 04:50:34 UTC
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Childhood obesity rates in America have tripled since 1980.
This is due to genetics.
Genetics? Then where weren't the generations before them just as obese?
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Men's Health
Childhood obesity rates in America have tripled since 1980.
This is due to genetics.
Genetics? Then where weren't the generations before them just as obese?
Because it took copious amounts of HFCS to unlock the magic of these
genes.
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The Worst Restaurant Foods for Kids
By Dave Zinczenko and Matt Goulding, Men's Health
Men's Health
Childhood obesity rates in America have tripled since 1980.
What is the cutoff point for determining if a child is obese,
and is it the same one that was used in 1980?

Today, 16
Post by J Craig
percent of children between the ages of 6 and 19 are overweight or obese.
In addition to those 9 million children who are already in trouble, an
additional 15 percent of American kids are classified as "at risk of
becoming overweight or obese."
What the heck does that last statement mean? Seems like there
would also be children at risk of becomeing thin, but we don't hear
about those.
Post by J Craig
We're not just talking baby fat here-70 percent of overweight
adolescents
Post by J Craig
end up overweight or obese in adulthood. And since obesity increases your
odds of heart attack, stroke, and early death of all causes
(sometimes by
Post by J Craig
as much as 33 percent), consider the impact of an entire generation of
overweight children on our country's health care system-and
families.

Statements like these are not new. So why don't they tell you
that childhood obesity tates have leveled off in the last few years.

It's
Post by J Craig
a chilling thought, especially if one of those children is your own.
In spite of these terrifying statistics,
DELIBERATELY terrifying statistics. People in the overweight
category (BMI between 25 and 30) do not have a significantly increased
risk of early death.

the restaurant industry has done
Post by J Craig
little to help combat the problem. If anything, the overstuffed, fat- and
calorie-packed kids' meals on many chain restaurants' menus indicate
that
Post by J Craig
they're just making things worse. What's even more frustrating is
that it's
Post by J Craig
hard to tell how good-or atrocious-any particular food item can be
just by
Post by J Craig
looking at the name.
If these foods are bad for fat kids, aren't they also bad for
thin kids? There is no reason to keep harping on the weight angle.

Skip these
Post by J Craig
dietary disasters to help keep your kids lean, strong, and healthy.
<snip>

What's wrong with fat, strong and healthy?

Robin
miguel
2009-04-29 04:01:41 UTC
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Post by J Craig
http://health.msn.com/nutrition/articlepage.aspx?cp-documentid=100237479&GT
Post by J Craig
1=31036
The Worst Restaurant Foods for Kids
By Dave Zinczenko and Matt Goulding, Men's Health
Men's Health
Childhood obesity rates in America have tripled since 1980.
What is the cutoff point for determining if a child is obese,
and is it the same one that was used in 1980?
Today, 16
Post by J Craig
percent of children between the ages of 6 and 19 are overweight or
obese.
Post by J Craig
In addition to those 9 million children who are already in trouble,
an
Post by J Craig
additional 15 percent of American kids are classified as "at risk of
becoming overweight or obese."
What the heck does that last statement mean? Seems like there
would also be children at risk of becomeing thin, but we don't hear
about those.
Post by J Craig
We're not just talking baby fat here-70 percent of overweight
adolescents
Post by J Craig
end up overweight or obese in adulthood. And since obesity increases
your
Post by J Craig
odds of heart attack, stroke, and early death of all causes
(sometimes by
Post by J Craig
as much as 33 percent), consider the impact of an entire generation
of
Post by J Craig
overweight children on our country's health care system-and
families.
Statements like these are not new. So why don't they tell you
that childhood obesity tates have leveled off in the last few years.
It's
Post by J Craig
a chilling thought, especially if one of those children is your own.
In spite of these terrifying statistics,
DELIBERATELY terrifying statistics. People in the overweight
category (BMI between 25 and 30) do not have a significantly increased
risk of early death.
the restaurant industry has done
Post by J Craig
little to help combat the problem. If anything, the overstuffed,
fat- and
Post by J Craig
calorie-packed kids' meals on many chain restaurants' menus indicate
that
Post by J Craig
they're just making things worse. What's even more frustrating is
that it's
Post by J Craig
hard to tell how good-or atrocious-any particular food item can be
just by
Post by J Craig
looking at the name.
If these foods are bad for fat kids, aren't they also bad for
thin kids? There is no reason to keep harping on the weight angle.
Skip these
Post by J Craig
dietary disasters to help keep your kids lean, strong, and healthy.
<snip>
What's wrong with fat, strong and healthy?
For most people they are mutually exclusive. Only extreme outliers
manage to reconcile all three.
The Master
2009-04-29 15:07:57 UTC
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Drink This, Instead: Strawberry Citrus Fruit Blast (small)
<<snip>>
Post by J Craig
Eat This, Instead: Pepper Pals Grilled Chicken Platter with Cinnamon Apples
Who ever wrote this list has never had a kid, or never had a kid that
liked junk food and tried to make them eat healthy instead. What
"Invasion of the Body Snatchers" 8 year old do you have that will drink
and eat the above "alternatives"?
Post by J Craig
Provided by Men's Health
Waste of time provided by Men's Health you mean...
Stephanie
2009-04-29 15:50:46 UTC
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Post by The Master
Post by J Craig
Drink This, Instead: Strawberry Citrus Fruit Blast (small)
<<snip>>
Post by J Craig
Eat This, Instead: Pepper Pals Grilled Chicken Platter with Cinnamon Apples
Who ever wrote this list has never had a kid, or never had a kid that
liked junk food and tried to make them eat healthy instead. What
"Invasion of the Body Snatchers" 8 year old do you have that will
drink and eat the above "alternatives"?
Anyone for whom

- modelling healthy eating choices is a part of every day life (and
prefereably started when the kid was born rather than adopted later. An
ounce of prevention...)
- parents don't allow them to eat crap on a regular basis any more than they
allow them to stick knives in their eyes.
Post by The Master
Post by J Craig
Provided by Men's Health
Waste of time provided by Men's Health you mean...
Lady Veteran
2009-04-29 16:01:57 UTC
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Post by Stephanie
Post by The Master
Post by J Craig
Drink This, Instead: Strawberry Citrus Fruit Blast (small)
<<snip>>
Post by J Craig
Eat This, Instead: Pepper Pals Grilled Chicken Platter with Cinnamon Apples
Who ever wrote this list has never had a kid, or never had a kid that
liked junk food and tried to make them eat healthy instead. What
"Invasion of the Body Snatchers" 8 year old do you have that will
drink and eat the above "alternatives"?
Anyone for whom
- modelling healthy eating choices is a part of every day life (and
prefereably started when the kid was born rather than adopted later. An
ounce of prevention...)
- parents don't allow them to eat crap on a regular basis any more than they
allow them to stick knives in their eyes.
Excuse me Steffi-you don't have kids either do you? It is easy to be a
critic. I have never given birth to children but I have parenting
experience.

There is nothing wrong with things in moderation. Restaurant food was
never meant to ingest everyday. Families who do this have a
dysfunctional problem with the adults.
Post by Stephanie
Post by The Master
Waste of time provided by Men's Health you mean...
Now I do agree with that along with the idiot who posted it.

LV

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When the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank."

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The Master
2009-04-29 16:26:37 UTC
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Waste of time provided by Men's Health you mean...
Now I do agree with that along with the idiot who posted it.
Tisk tisk LV. No need to call me an idiot just because we have had
disagreements in the past.
JD
2009-04-30 00:24:22 UTC
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Post by Lady Veteran
Post by Stephanie
Anyone for whom
- modelling healthy eating choices is a part of every day life (and
prefereably started when the kid was born rather than adopted later. An
ounce of prevention...)
- parents don't allow them to eat crap on a regular basis any more than they
allow them to stick knives in their eyes.
Excuse me Steffi-you don't have kids either do you?
She does have a child. OTOH, you have never had kids or been married. You
are not in a relationship. God only knows the last time you got laid. You
were evicted from your home last summer for nonpayment of rent. After
months of unemployment, you got a temp job at Apple in which you were fired
after a couple of months. You are now a contract employee working on
commission only with no benefits. You are a real life loser and an
unapologetic stalking kook.

http://tinyurl.com/dyutka
Lady Veteran
2009-04-30 15:35:25 UTC
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Post by JD
Post by Lady Veteran
Post by Stephanie
Anyone for whom
- modelling healthy eating choices is a part of every day life (and
prefereably started when the kid was born rather than adopted later. An
ounce of prevention...)
- parents don't allow them to eat crap on a regular basis any more than they
allow them to stick knives in their eyes.
Excuse me Steffi-you don't have kids either do you?
She does have a child. OTOH, you have never had kids or been married.
I have never GIVEN BIRTH. That is by choice, little fool.

You
Post by JD
are not in a relationship.
At the moment. I suppose by your logic, every person on the planet is
and because I am not, there is something wrong with me?
Post by JD
God only knows the last time you got laid.
Of course he does. It isn't any of YOUR business.
Post by JD
You
were evicted from your home last summer for nonpayment of rent.
I am still in that home. YOu believe everything you read. I make no
apologies for being caught in a recession like thousands of others. I
was certainly in danger of that happening, that is true. I doubt you
would be able to save your situation like I did.

After
Post by JD
months of unemployment, you got a temp job at Apple in which you were fired
after a couple of months.
Oh yes, me and 150 other people and that is my fault. Right?
Post by JD
You are now a contract employee working on
commission only with no benefits.
I am an employed person with benefits and a nice retirement plan. I
also run a business that is commission only with no benefits.

Jealous. Would you love to know what I am doing so you can stalk me
again, Jimmy?
Post by JD
You are a real life loser and an
unapologetic stalking kook.
I am a fictional character developed and produced by a couple of dicks
named Jim Dutton and Mike Cranston who have nothing better to do but
attempt to ruin me.

You have and will continue to fail.


LV

"I rode a tank and held a general's rank
When the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank."

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and I am not sure about the universe."

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The Master
2009-04-29 16:23:07 UTC
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Post by The Master
Who ever wrote this list has never had a kid, or never had a kid that
liked junk food and tried to make them eat healthy instead. What
"Invasion of the Body Snatchers" 8 year old do you have that will
drink and eat the above "alternatives"?
Anyone for whom
- modelling healthy eating choices is a part of every day life (and
prefereably started when the kid was born rather than adopted later. An
ounce of prevention...)
- parents don't allow them to eat crap on a regular basis any more than they
allow them to stick knives in their eyes.
In other words, the ones that are already eating this way, and who never
ate the other way... So what? It's easy as hell to not drink Coca-Cola,
if you have never had it.

However, in the real world, where kids already eat the junk food, what
then? Give a chicken nugget eating child some grilled chicken breast
strips, he or she will ask what the white stuff is (the chicken) and
refuse to eat it. Pointing to healthy alternatives the child will REFUSE
to eat does no one any good! How about some alternatives that they might
actually give a try?
Stephanie
2009-04-29 16:38:28 UTC
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Post by The Master
Post by Stephanie
Post by The Master
Who ever wrote this list has never had a kid, or never had a kid
that liked junk food and tried to make them eat healthy instead. What
"Invasion of the Body Snatchers" 8 year old do you have that
will drink and eat the above "alternatives"?
Anyone for whom
- modelling healthy eating choices is a part of every day life (and
prefereably started when the kid was born rather than adopted later.
An ounce of prevention...)
- parents don't allow them to eat crap on a regular basis any more
than they allow them to stick knives in their eyes.
In other words, the ones that are already eating this way, and who
never ate the other way... So what? It's easy as hell to not drink
Coca-Cola, if you have never had it.
It is easier. But it is not the end of the world for a child to change
either.
Post by The Master
However, in the real world, where kids already eat the junk food, what
then? Give a chicken nugget eating child some grilled chicken breast
strips, he or she will ask what the white stuff is (the chicken) and
refuse to eat it.
And thene what? Proceed to starve to death on thee spot? Assuming that you
speak to your child anywa, you explain about healthy eating habits and
learning new ways. You call upon the health classes that they have received
in school (assuming that they dont think the teacher is a dork) or whatever.
Then you do it.

There was a generation of kids who started out not wearing bicycle helmets.
They had to adjust. BFD.

A human animal, in the absence of one food, will eat anotherl. Only if you
pitch a battle or have other issues of weirdness going on in your family,
they won't starve themselves.

Shit is hard. But it is better to do the hard thing of transforming eating
habits (particularly when it is relatively easy as a young person) than have
to deal with the conseuqences of a lifetime bad eating habits.
Post by The Master
Pointing to healthy alternatives the child will
REFUSE to eat does no one any good! How about some alternatives that
they might actually give a try?
for how long is a child going to starve himself? I have no objection to
alternatives that will be tried. I saw nothing particularly interesting or
disinteresting about the alternatives provided. But the tendency I see for
parents to throw up their hands and say ... they won't eat! is a bunch of
crap and nonsense. Most people eat some huge amount more than they need
anyway.
The Master
2009-04-29 17:05:30 UTC
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Post by The Master
However, in the real world, where kids already eat the junk food, what
then? Give a chicken nugget eating child some grilled chicken breast
strips, he or she will ask what the white stuff is (the chicken) and
refuse to eat it.
And thene what? Proceed to starve to death on thee spot? Assuming that you
speak to your child anywa, you explain about healthy eating habits and
learning new ways.
You're funny... Reasoning with an 8 year old? ROTFLMAO!

Oh shit, you mean you are being serious? *shaking head*

There have been studies that show that forcing a child to eat healthy food
only re-enforces the idea that the food isn't good to begin with. Giving
the child the choice of eating good food or not eat, many will pick to not
eat or eat very little. However, what that does is make them associate
healthy food with punishment.
Stephanie
2009-04-29 17:48:09 UTC
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Post by Stephanie
Post by The Master
However, in the real world, where kids already eat the junk food,
what then? Give a chicken nugget eating child some grilled chicken
breast strips, he or she will ask what the white stuff is (the
chicken) and refuse to eat it.
And thene what? Proceed to starve to death on thee spot? Assuming
that you speak to your child anywa, you explain about healthy eating
habits and learning new ways.
You're funny... Reasoning with an 8 year old? ROTFLMAO!
I have one. If you don't treat your child like a moron, it is amazing what
results you get. My five year old can make the right food choices. She is
not a moron. She is not treated like a moron.
Post by The Master
Oh shit, you mean you are being serious? *shaking head*
What is scarier still is that you think your child is so weak and pathetic
that he or she cannot manage something as simple and brainless as garbage
in, garbage out.
Post by The Master
There have been studies that show that forcing a child to eat healthy
food only re-enforces the idea that the food isn't good to begin
with.
Did I say anything at all about forcing any eating? I did not. Please read
for understanding.
Post by The Master
Giving the child the choice of eating good food or not eat,
many will pick to not eat or eat very little.
That's LOVELY! The child can make a *choice* abot eating based on whether
or not they are hungry rather than wehether or not they can soothe their
woes or whatever in a bucket of ice cream.

Why do we think, in this society, that on the one hand one ought to eat
healthily and on the other hand that if the child does not eat very much
theere is something wrong? Every animal will not choose to starve.
Post by The Master
However, what that
does is make them associate healthy food with punishment.
Not unless the parent views it as punishment.
The Master
2009-04-29 19:32:27 UTC
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Post by The Master
You're funny... Reasoning with an 8 year old? ROTFLMAO!
I have one. If you don't treat your child like a moron, it is amazing what
results you get. My five year old can make the right food choices. She is
not a moron. She is not treated like a moron.
Then you just bore the shit out of her? Ever hear "ok, whatever you say
mom"? Is she really making her own mind up, or are you making it up for
her and she goes along with it just to get you to shut up?

I know my children aren't morons. They are much smarter then most people
give them credit for. But they also think they know better then stupid
parents. Boring them to death only hurts your point.
Willow Herself
2009-04-29 23:35:18 UTC
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Post by Stephanie
Post by The Master
You're funny... Reasoning with an 8 year old? ROTFLMAO!
I have one. If you don't treat your child like a moron, it is amazing what
results you get. My five year old can make the right food choices. She is
not a moron. She is not treated like a moron.
Then you just bore the shit out of her? Ever hear "ok, whatever you say
mom"? Is she really making her own mind up, or are you making it up for
her and she goes along with it just to get you to shut up?
If you think that healthy food is boring, then you'll never teach your kids
to eat right. I guess you have to grow up before you can raise kids?
Post by The Master
I know my children aren't morons. They are much smarter then most people
give them credit for. But they also think they know better then stupid
parents. Boring them to death only hurts your point.
And it's the parent's job to teach them otherwise.

I usually find your posting to be humorous and intelligent, I even agree
with you from time to time. But of all the arguments I've seen from you in
the long long time I've read them.. this is by far the dumbest position you
have ever taken.

Let the kids do what they want, because if not, they won't like it. That's
not even sad parenting, it's no parenting at all..
The Master
2009-04-30 16:04:13 UTC
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Post by Willow Herself
If you think that healthy food is boring, then you'll never teach your kids
to eat right. I guess you have to grow up before you can raise kids?
You are assuming there is a problem with being fat. Typical arrogance,
believing that anything not like you is bad. Yes, healthy food IS
boring... If it wasn't, I'd be skinny. Rather, I like flavor, taste, and
all that other stuff that you run away from screaming. I have a fantastic
quality of life, enjoying what I eat rather then dreading it.
Stephanie
2009-04-30 16:07:43 UTC
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Post by Willow Herself
If you think that healthy food is boring, then you'll never teach
your kids to eat right. I guess you have to grow up before you can
raise kids?
You are assuming there is a problem with being fat. Typical
arrogance, believing that anything not like you is bad. Yes, healthy
food IS boring... If it wasn't, I'd be skinny. Rather, I like
flavor, taste, and all that other stuff that you run away from
screaming. I have a fantastic quality of life, enjoying what I eat
rather then dreading it.
You assume wron when you assume that people who eat healthy food deem it
boring OR dreadful.

The notion that one is going to dodge the bullet presented by teh many, many
inreased risk factors from being fat is happy horseshit. And people don't
really have the right to do that to their kids. Feel free to do it to
yourself.
The Master
2009-04-30 16:26:59 UTC
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Post by Stephanie
You assume wron when you assume that people who eat healthy food deem it
boring OR dreadful.
If you like food I think is boring, fine... I'm not calling you an
ignorant slob for liking food I won't touch. But in the case of those
that show rabid hate for the obese, the other way around cannot be said.
Stephanie
2009-04-30 16:35:42 UTC
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Post by The Master
Post by Stephanie
You assume wron when you assume that people who eat healthy food
deem it boring OR dreadful.
If you like food I think is boring, fine... I'm not calling you an
ignorant slob for liking food I won't touch. But in the case of those
that show rabid hate for the obese, the other way around cannot be said.
You know what strikes me... The group that keeps getting xposted to ww is
called something something fat.ACCEPTANCE. But what that really seems to
mean that facts and realities surrounding the *risks* of being fat need to
be squelched at all costs. Things like not every fat person gets type 2
diabetes becomes an argument that a fat person's risk does not, in fact go
UP for type 2 diabetes. Which is darn right weird. Will YOU get type 2
diabetes? Or joint issuses? Or heart disease? Stroke? Cancer? Liver disease?
Gall bladder disease? Youo may not. But what a freaking long list! Not
everyone gets these diseases and non-obese people do too are not really very
cogent arguments about the risk that any individual will goes up
dramatically depending on the level of obesity, the disease and other
factors. Pretending that fact does not exist does not exists does not
further your fat accepance cause, if you ask me.

Fat people have every right to be fat. That is thei choice. And as such, I
guess you could say that I, for one, accept fat. But be truthful fer pete's
sake.
MU
2009-04-30 17:52:15 UTC
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Post by Stephanie
Fat people have every right to be fat. That is thei choice. And as such, I
guess you could say that I, for one, accept fat. But be truthful fer pete's
sake.
If you consider that you own your own body, correct. If you consider
that your body was a gift from God, then you are way off base.
--
http://tinyurl.com/5gt7
Stephanie
2009-04-30 17:58:21 UTC
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Post by MU
Post by Stephanie
Fat people have every right to be fat. That is thei choice. And as
such, I guess you could say that I, for one, accept fat. But be
truthful fer pete's sake.
If you consider that you own your own body, correct. If you consider
that your body was a gift from God, then you are way off base.
I don't beleive in God. And actually, in so far as anyone else has the right
to tell someone ELSE their rights, the person making the decision is the
final arbiter. Our two cents don't matter.

Now a person who DOES believe in God of the Christian persuasion, I do
wonder how they can damage the temple... But not my busines..
MM
2009-04-30 18:04:07 UTC
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Post by Stephanie
Post by MU
Post by Stephanie
Fat people have every right to be fat. That is thei choice. And as
such, I guess you could say that I, for one, accept fat. But be
truthful fer pete's sake.
If you consider that you own your own body, correct. If you consider
that your body was a gift from God, then you are way off base.
I don't beleive in God. And actually, in so far as anyone else has the right
to tell someone ELSE their rights, the person making the decision is the
final arbiter. Our two cents don't matter.
Now a person who DOES believe in God of the Christian persuasion, I do
wonder how they can damage the temple... But not my busines..
Wonder if when the Jews reached the "land of milk and honey" after the Exodus
whether they continued to eat the same amount as they did with the omer of
manna.
MU
2009-05-01 15:54:50 UTC
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Post by Stephanie
Post by MU
Post by Stephanie
Fat people have every right to be fat. That is thei choice. And as
such, I guess you could say that I, for one, accept fat. But be
truthful fer pete's sake.
If you consider that you own your own body, correct. If you consider
that your body was a gift from God, then you are way off base.
I don't beleive in God.
Then you are correct, that is, you live under the erroneous assumption
that you own your body.

Have at it.
--
http://tinyurl.com/5gt7
Lady Veteran
2009-05-01 14:31:36 UTC
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Post by MU
Post by Stephanie
Fat people have every right to be fat. That is thei choice. And as such, I
guess you could say that I, for one, accept fat. But be truthful fer pete's
sake.
If you consider that you own your own body, correct. If you consider
that your body was a gift from God, then you are way off base.
Remember that God gave you your body. You didn't lease it and agree to
turn it in after 15,000 miles.

LV

"I rode a tank and held a general's rank
When the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank."

---Sympathy for the Devil-The Rolling Stones
--------------------------------------------
"We are all born ignorant, but we must work hard to
remain stupid.

---Benjamin Franklin
----------------------------------------------
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity;
and I am not sure about the universe."

---Albert Einstein
----------------------------------------------
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from the strong."

----Leo Buscaglia
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Orlando Enrique Fiol
2009-05-01 00:30:35 UTC
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Post by Stephanie
You know what strikes me... The group that keeps getting xposted to ww is
called something something fat.ACCEPTANCE. But what that really seems to
mean that facts and realities surrounding the *risks* of being fat need to
be squelched at all costs. Things like not every fat person gets type 2
diabetes becomes an argument that a fat person's risk does not, in fact go
UP for type 2 diabetes. Which is darn right weird. Will YOU get type 2
diabetes? Or joint issuses? Or heart disease? Stroke? Cancer? Liver disease?
Gall bladder disease? You may not. But what a freaking long list! Not
everyone gets these diseases and non-obese people do too are not really very
cogent arguments about the risk that any individual will goes up
dramatically depending on the level of obesity, the disease and other
factors. Pretending that fact does not exist does not exists does not
further your fat accepance cause, if you ask me.
Fat people have every right to be fat. That is thei choice. And as such, I
guess you could say that I, for one, accept fat. But be truthful fer pete's
sake.
This issue is so fraught with pontification and moralizing on both sides. If
fat people weren't automatically branded glutons who are so morally bankrupt
that they can't control their eating, there would be no need for fat acceptance
as a response.

Orlando
Stephanie
2009-05-01 00:38:30 UTC
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Post by Orlando Enrique Fiol
Post by Stephanie
You know what strikes me... The group that keeps getting xposted to
ww is called something something fat.ACCEPTANCE. But what that
really seems to mean that facts and realities surrounding the
*risks* of being fat need to be squelched at all costs. Things like
not every fat person gets type 2 diabetes becomes an argument that a
fat person's risk does not, in fact go UP for type 2 diabetes. Which
is darn right weird. Will YOU get type 2 diabetes? Or joint issuses?
Or heart disease? Stroke? Cancer? Liver disease? Gall bladder
disease? You may not. But what a freaking long list! Not everyone
gets these diseases and non-obese people do too are not really very
cogent arguments about the risk that any individual will goes up
dramatically depending on the level of obesity, the disease and
other factors. Pretending that fact does not exist does not exists
does not further your fat accepance cause, if you ask me.
Fat people have every right to be fat. That is thei choice. And as
such, I guess you could say that I, for one, accept fat. But be
truthful fer pete's sake.
This issue is so fraught with pontification and moralizing on both
sides. If fat people weren't automatically branded glutons who are so
morally bankrupt that they can't control their eating, there would be
no need for fat acceptance as a response.
Orlando
On the flip side, if every person who attempted a conversation weren't
disended upon as a person of raging hate, at lease insofar as the group were
concerned, then there would be less dismissing as psychotic blathering.
Robin King
2009-05-01 02:32:03 UTC
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Post by Stephanie
You know what strikes me... The group that keeps getting xposted to
ww

You can blame the tolls for cross-posting. They get bored
very easily and want to "stir up shit" as one of them once put it.

is
Post by Stephanie
called something something fat.ACCEPTANCE. But what that really seems to
mean that facts and realities surrounding the *risks* of being fat need to
be squelched at all costs.
Squelched? I doubt we could, considering the anti-fat
messages blared at us constantly, like propaganda in Orwell's _1984_.

Things like not every fat person gets type 2
Post by Stephanie
diabetes becomes an argument that a fat person's risk does not, in fact go
UP for type 2 diabetes.
I don't believe I've claimed that. However, fat doesn't CAUSE
diabetes (it might even be the other way around); you still need to
have the gene for that.

Which is darn right weird. Will YOU get type 2
Post by Stephanie
diabetes? Or joint issuses? Or heart disease?
A fat person's recovery rate is better than a thin person's
when it comes to heart disease.
Post by Stephanie
Stroke? Cancer?
Less likely for the latter one.
Post by Stephanie
Liver disease?
Gall bladder disease?
Often brought on by certain commercial diet plans. And fat people
are more likely to enroll in those plans.

Youo may not. But what a freaking long list! Not
Post by Stephanie
everyone gets these diseases and non-obese people do too are not really very
cogent arguments about the risk that any individual will goes up
dramatically depending on the level of obesity, the disease and other
factors.
How dramatically?
Is it due to lifestyle or fatness per se?
How much ill health can be attributed to poor treatment by
society in general? Not all, of course, but we won't know until the
bigotry stops. And while you can't lose someone else's weight, you can
protest ill treatment and fight perpetuation of stereotypes.

Pretending that fact does not exist does not exists does not
Post by Stephanie
further your fat accepance cause, if you ask me.
Then it's a good thing I didn't ask you. There are already
too many people who drop by just to say "This isn't helping your
cause!" when they clearly have no intention of listening to us no
matter what we say.
Post by Stephanie
Fat people have every right to be fat. That is thei choice.
Beg pardon, it wasn't my choice any more than I chose my
height, race, or skin color.

And as such, I
Post by Stephanie
guess you could say that I, for one, accept fat. But be truthful fer pete's
sake.
We are, as far as we can. But it's not what most people want
to hear.

Robin

To the diet groups: apologies for the intrusion.
Marie
2009-05-01 10:42:34 UTC
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Post by Robin King
Post by Stephanie
You know what strikes me... The group that keeps getting xposted to
ww
You can blame the tolls for cross-posting. They get bored
very easily and want to "stir up shit" as one of them once put it.
is
Post by Stephanie
called something something fat.ACCEPTANCE. But what that really
seems to
Post by Stephanie
mean that facts and realities surrounding the risks of being fat
need to
Post by Stephanie
be squelched at all costs.
Squelched? I doubt we could, considering the anti-fat
messages blared at us constantly, like propaganda in Orwell's 1984.
Facts, not propaganda.
Post by Robin King
Things like not every fat person gets type 2
Post by Stephanie
diabetes becomes an argument that a fat person's risk does not, in
fact go
Post by Stephanie
UP for type 2 diabetes.
I don't believe I've claimed that. However, fat doesn't CAUSE
diabetes (it might even be the other way around); you still need to
have the gene for that.
Prove this claim.
Post by Robin King
Which is darn right weird. Will YOU get type 2
Post by Stephanie
diabetes? Or joint issuses? Or heart disease?
A fat person's recovery rate is better than a thin person's
when it comes to heart disease.
A fat person is much more likely to develop heart disease.
Post by Robin King
Post by Stephanie
Stroke? Cancer?
Less likely for the latter one.
Bullshit!

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080217211802.htm

"ScienceDaily (Feb. 18, 2008) — Researchers from the University of
Manchester, Christie Hospital and University of Bern in Switzerland have
today published findings in the Lancet medical journal which further
support the link between obesity and risk of developing cancer."
Post by Robin King
Post by Stephanie
Liver disease?
Gall bladder disease?
Often brought on by certain commercial diet plans. And fat people
are more likely to enroll in those plans.
Horseshit!
Post by Robin King
Youo may not. But what a freaking long list! Not
Post by Stephanie
everyone gets these diseases and non-obese people do too are not
really very
Post by Stephanie
cogent arguments about the risk that any individual will goes up
dramatically depending on the level of obesity, the disease and
other
Post by Stephanie
factors.
How dramatically?
Is it due to lifestyle or fatness per se?
How much ill health can be attributed to poor treatment by
society in general? Not all, of course, but we won't know until the
bigotry stops. And while you can't lose someone else's weight, you can
protest ill treatment and fight perpetuation of stereotypes.
More fat acceptance propaganda.
Post by Robin King
Pretending that fact does not exist does not exists does not
Post by Stephanie
further your fat accepance cause, if you ask me.
Then it's a good thing I didn't ask you. There are already
too many people who drop by just to say "This isn't helping your
cause!" when they clearly have no intention of listening to us no
matter what we say.
All you spew is propaganda.
Post by Robin King
Post by Stephanie
Fat people have every right to be fat. That is thei choice.
Beg pardon, it wasn't my choice any more than I chose my
height, race, or skin color.
Propaganda, once again.
Post by Robin King
And as such, I
Post by Stephanie
guess you could say that I, for one, accept fat. But be truthful
fer pete's
Post by Stephanie
sake.
We are, as far as we can. But it's not what most people want
to hear.
Bullshit!
Post by Robin King
Robin
To the diet groups: apologies for the intrusion.
You should put down the ham hock and beg them for help.
Stephanie
2009-05-01 12:06:51 UTC
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Post by Robin King
Post by Stephanie
You know what strikes me... The group that keeps getting xposted to
ww
You can blame the tolls for cross-posting. They get bored
very easily and want to "stir up shit" as one of them once put it.
is
Post by Stephanie
called something something fat.ACCEPTANCE. But what that really
seems to mean that facts and realities surrounding the *risks* of
being fat need to be squelched at all costs.
Squelched? I doubt we could, considering the anti-fat
messages blared at us constantly, like propaganda in Orwell's _1984_.
Things like not every fat person gets type 2
Post by Stephanie
diabetes becomes an argument that a fat person's risk does not, in
fact go UP for type 2 diabetes.
I don't believe I've claimed that. However, fat doesn't CAUSE
diabetes (it might even be the other way around); you still need to
have the gene for that.
I was not speaking directly to you. But I have heard it iin the group. Let
mee ask you. Do you have the gene? Do you realize that your risk of actually
aquiring the disease increases with obesity?
Post by Robin King
Which is darn right weird. Will YOU get type 2
Post by Stephanie
diabetes? Or joint issuses? Or heart disease?
A fat person's recovery rate is better than a thin person's
when it comes to heart disease.
Post by Stephanie
Stroke? Cancer?
Less likely for the latter one.
Post by Stephanie
Liver disease?
Gall bladder disease?
Often brought on by certain commercial diet plans. And fat people
are more likely to enroll in those plans.
Ok let's see

- you have to have a gene for that
- Recover faster...
- unsubstantiated claim gthat gall bladder disease is brought on by diet
plans.

Says to me that no you don't want to accept that your risk of certain
ilnesses go up from beinig obese. I guess you have made my point.
Post by Robin King
Youo may not. But what a freaking long list! Not
Post by Stephanie
everyone gets these diseases and non-obese people do too are not
really very cogent arguments about the risk that any individual will
goes up dramatically depending on the level of obesity, the disease
and other factors.
How dramatically?
Is it due to lifestyle or fatness per se?
What difference does it make? What do you want? You want any reason to
remain fat? You don't need one. Say to yourself, I would rather be fat with
liver or heart disease than skinny thin it. Then in my book you are square.
Post by Robin King
How much ill health can be attributed to poor treatment by
society in general? Not all, of course, but we won't know until the
bigotry stops. And while you can't lose someone else's weight, you can
protest ill treatment and fight perpetuation of stereotypes.
Mount a study. In the meantime, all evidence suggests that obesity is not
good for you. Can you type the words "obesity increases my risk for certain
illnesses?"
Post by Robin King
Pretending that fact does not exist does not exists does not
Post by Stephanie
further your fat accepance cause, if you ask me.
Then it's a good thing I didn't ask you. There are already
too many people who drop by just to say "This isn't helping your
cause!" when they clearly have no intention of listening to us no
matter what we say.
Well say something compelling, and I will listen. So far, there hasn't been
much that is sensible coming out of the group.
Post by Robin King
Post by Stephanie
Fat people have every right to be fat. That is thei choice.
Beg pardon, it wasn't my choice any more than I chose my
height, race, or skin color.
Yes. It is. You can DO something about your weight. Zillions of people
before you did. You may not want to choose to do so because it is a big fat
PITA at first. You cannot choose to do something with your skin color. But
you can choose to do something about your weight. That is a FACT. The number
of people who really CANNOT do anything are so small as to make the
likelihood that you ae one of them, along with the many otheer people who
say the same, is very, very small.
Post by Robin King
And as such, I
Post by Stephanie
guess you could say that I, for one, accept fat. But be truthful
fer pete's sake.
We are, as far as we can. But it's not what most people want
to hear.
I do not concur. But then, who cares.
Post by Robin King
Robin
To the diet groups: apologies for the intrusion.
Lady Veteran
2009-05-01 14:30:33 UTC
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Post by Stephanie
Post by The Master
Post by Stephanie
You assume wron when you assume that people who eat healthy food
deem it boring OR dreadful.
If you like food I think is boring, fine... I'm not calling you an
ignorant slob for liking food I won't touch. But in the case of those
that show rabid hate for the obese, the other way around cannot be said.
You know what strikes me... The group that keeps getting xposted to ww is
called something something fat.ACCEPTANCE. But what that really seems to
mean that facts and realities surrounding the *risks* of being fat need to
be squelched at all costs.
No. This group has a charter where we do not discuss diets and weight
loss. YOU are the one violating the charter and you cannot get it
through you head that there are plenty of diet groups out there and
this need not be one of them. It appears that your idea of
responsibility involves fat people obsessing about everything they eat
and keeping a gym membership paid.

There is a thing called life and I suggest you get one.

. Things like not every fat person gets type 2
Post by Stephanie
diabetes becomes an argument that a fat person's risk does not, in fact go
UP for type 2 diabetes.
You can get hit by a bus if you don't watch out when you walk across
the street, but do you obsess about that? Most people do not.
Post by Stephanie
Which is darn right weird.
No dear. Your requirement for obsession is weird.
Post by Stephanie
Will YOU get type 2
diabetes?
Maybe and maybe not. YOu could get it as well.
Post by Stephanie
Or joint issuses?
Will you? Maybe.
Post by Stephanie
Or heart disease? Stroke? Cancer? Liver disease?
Gall bladder disease? Youo may not.
So why obsess over a chance? You could get these diseases too. Do you
have any time for love and laughter if you are constantly worrying
about future disease?
Post by Stephanie
But what a freaking long list! Not
everyone gets these diseases and non-obese people do too are not really very
cogent arguments about the risk that any individual will goes up
dramatically depending on the level of obesity, the disease and other
factors.
So? Call me when you have proof that only fat people get these
diseases.
Post by Stephanie
Pretending that fact does not exist does not exists does not
further your fat accepance cause, if you ask me.
There is no pretending dearie. It is called living. If a person wants
a cocoanut cream pie there is nothing wrong with that in moderation.
Don't eat the whole pie (unless it is very small).

Rabbit food is for rabbits.
Post by Stephanie
Fat people have every right to be fat. That is thei choice. And as such, I
guess you could say that I, for one, accept fat. But be truthful fer pete's
sake.
What you see as denial is actually lack of obsession. Deal with it.
LV

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Lady Veteran
2009-05-01 14:21:07 UTC
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Post by The Master
Post by Willow Herself
If you think that healthy food is boring, then you'll never teach
your kids to eat right. I guess you have to grow up before you can
raise kids?
You are assuming there is a problem with being fat. Typical
arrogance, believing that anything not like you is bad. Yes, healthy
food IS boring... If it wasn't, I'd be skinny. Rather, I like
flavor, taste, and all that other stuff that you run away from
screaming. I have a fantastic quality of life, enjoying what I eat
rather then dreading it.
You assume wron when you assume that people who eat healthy food deem it
boring OR dreadful.
The notion that one is going to dodge the bullet presented by teh many, many
inreased risk factors from being fat is happy horseshit. And people don't
really have the right to do that to their kids. Feel free to do it to
yourself.
So you can tell what is going on in the family just by looking at the
children? Gosh, I wish I was psychic. The point of this groups that
people are not free to do that to themselves. There are the fat police
wagging fingers and poking sticks, then wonder why the world is so
miserable.

Get a life Stephanie and quit playing the self-righteous boob. Sinners
have a lot more fun than Saints.

LV

"I rode a tank and held a general's rank
When the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank."

---Sympathy for the Devil-The Rolling Stones
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remain stupid.

---Benjamin Franklin
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and I am not sure about the universe."

---Albert Einstein
----------------------------------------------
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from the strong."

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Anthony Allende
2009-04-30 16:12:46 UTC
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Post by The Master
Post by Willow Herself
If you think that healthy food is boring, then you'll never teach your kids
to eat right. I guess you have to grow up before you can raise kids?
You are assuming there is a problem with being fat.
You just lost the argument. Even the most strident fat acceptance wackoids
admit that there are problems with their chosen fatass lifestyles.


Typical arrogance,
Post by The Master
believing that anything not like you is bad. Yes, healthy food IS
boring... If it wasn't, I'd be skinny. Rather, I like flavor, taste, and
all that other stuff that you run away from screaming. I have a fantastic
quality of life, enjoying what I eat rather then dreading it.
Merchant Marine
2009-04-30 02:32:42 UTC
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Post by The Master
I know my children aren't morons. They are much smarter then most people
give them credit for.
So apart from your kids being fat, they are also mistaken for retards?
Stephanie
2009-04-30 02:35:29 UTC
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Post by The Master
Post by Stephanie
Post by The Master
You're funny... Reasoning with an 8 year old? ROTFLMAO!
I have one. If you don't treat your child like a moron, it is
amazing what results you get. My five year old can make the right
food choices. She is not a moron. She is not treated like a moron.
Then you just bore the shit out of her? Ever hear "ok, whatever you
say mom"? Is she really making her own mind up, or are you making it
up for her and she goes along with it just to get you to shut up?
I know my children aren't morons. They are much smarter then most
people give them credit for. But they also think they know better
then stupid parents. Boring them to death only hurts your point.
Okaaaaaay then. Next converation.
The Master
2009-04-30 16:06:10 UTC
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Post by Stephanie
Post by The Master
Boring them to death only hurts your point.
Okaaaaaay then. Next converation.
So, did I win, or are you doing that just to make me shut up? Sort of
proves my point, doesn't it? You are welcomed.
Stephanie
2009-04-30 16:13:37 UTC
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Post by The Master
Post by Stephanie
Post by The Master
Boring them to death only hurts your point.
Okaaaaaay then. Next converation.
So, did I win, or are you doing that just to make me shut up? Sort of
proves my point, doesn't it? You are welcomed.
You cannot even speak to your owwn child for fear that he or she would be
bored by you. The whole dang thing is pointless so you might as well throw
upyour hands and have another donut.

You and I have nothing to say to each other if you think that you cannot
even speak to your own child.
The Master
2009-04-30 16:33:17 UTC
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Post by Stephanie
You cannot even speak to your owwn child for fear that he or she would be
bored by you.
Did your kid try a salad right away instead of chicken nuggets?
Then why bitch at me for objecting to such an idea when presented by a
health magazine?

I am saying that you are at the sit down restaurant, pull out the magazine
with the article in question, and try to reason Junior into seeing things
your way, isn't going to work.

That's not how you got your kid to change, is it?
That's not how you yourself changed, is it?
Then why bitch at me for objecting to such an idea when presented by a
health magazine?

Again, you are welcomed.
Stephanie
2009-04-30 16:37:05 UTC
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Post by The Master
Post by Stephanie
You cannot even speak to your owwn child for fear that he or she
would be bored by you.
Did your kid try a salad right away instead of chicken nuggets?
Can you explain to me why you are hyper focused on this right away business?
It sesems to me more than a reasobable exercise to the reader to determine
the path from crap to alternatives. Maybe that is too much of a stretch for
you.
Post by The Master
Then why bitch at me for objecting to such an idea when presented by a
health magazine?
I am saying that you are at the sit down restaurant, pull out the
magazine with the article in question, and try to reason Junior into
seeing things your way, isn't going to work.
Well now damn, that;'s just dumb enough to even cross my mind that anyone
would think that is a good idea.
Post by The Master
That's not how you got your kid to change, is it?
That's not how you yourself changed, is it?
Then why bitch at me for objecting to such an idea when presented by a
health magazine?
Again, you are welcomed.
The Master
2009-04-30 16:54:01 UTC
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Post by Stephanie
Post by The Master
Did your kid try a salad right away instead of chicken nuggets?
Can you explain to me why you are hyper focused on this right away business?
I believe I have been abundantly clear time and time and time again.
While I am talking about the lack of middle steps to get your child from
point A to point B, the bashers complain that I don't know how to talk to
my child. I am saying that article is of no use, since it is only a list
of goals and offers no instruction on how to get there. And for that, I
am attacked with rabid hate.

Honestly, I expected nothing else. But please, don't act so shocked when
I object...
Stephanie
2009-04-30 17:02:39 UTC
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Post by The Master
Post by Stephanie
Post by The Master
Did your kid try a salad right away instead of chicken nuggets?
Can you explain to me why you are hyper focused on this right away business?
I believe I have been abundantly clear time and time and time again.
While I am talking about the lack of middle steps to get your child
from point A to point B, the bashers complain that I don't know how
to talk to my child. I am saying that article is of no use, since it
is only a list of goals and offers no instruction on how to get
there. And for that, I am attacked with rabid hate.
You call that rabid hate? I am blown away by your sense that what you
received was rabid hate.

Given the cryptic nature of your responses "Reasone with an eight year old?"
as a completely ridculous without further qualifications makes me disgree
that you have been "abundantly clear." Peace out.
Post by The Master
Honestly, I expected nothing else. But please, don't act so shocked
when I object...
Orlando Enrique Fiol
2009-05-01 00:27:46 UTC
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Post by Stephanie
You cannot even speak to your owwn child for fear that he or she would be
bored by you. The whole dang thing is pointless so you might as well throw
up your hands and have another donut.
You and I have nothing to say to each other if you think that you cannot
even speak to your own child.
If he thinks he cannot speak to his own child, he's in dire need of your help.
Why turn your back on him and ostracize him because he can no longer muster up
the strength to be a parent? Such people need our encouragement and resources
rather than our scorn. It's always easier to scorn than help.

Orlando
Stephanie
2009-05-01 00:39:06 UTC
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Post by Orlando Enrique Fiol
Post by Stephanie
You cannot even speak to your owwn child for fear that he or she
would be bored by you. The whole dang thing is pointless so you
might as well throw up your hands and have another donut.
You and I have nothing to say to each other if you think that you
cannot even speak to your own child.
If he thinks he cannot speak to his own child, he's in dire need of
your help. Why turn your back on him and ostracize him because he can
no longer muster up the strength to be a parent? Such people need our
encouragement and resources rather than our scorn. It's always easier
to scorn than help.
Orlando
I am the wrong person to seek help from, nor would he hear it if I offered,
as evidenced by his responses.
Orlando Enrique Fiol
2009-05-01 01:24:05 UTC
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Post by Stephanie
On the flip side, if every person who attempted a conversation weren't
disended upon as a person of raging hate, at lease insofar as the group were
concerned, then there would be less dismissing as psychotic blathering.
Let's be part of the solution. I haven't directed any hatred at you. In fact,
I've agreed with most of your points, which indicates that we're beginning a
fruitful conversation. It's easy for both sides on the fat issue to blame
rather than help each other. Those who condemn the overweight need to realize
that we're not fat because of insufficient will power, control over eating or
understanding of health. On the other side, those of us who've begun turning
our lives around and losing weight shouldn't get so cocky that we forget those
who haven't yet gotten to the point of needing to take desperate measures, let
alone figuring out which measures to take. Thue truth is that on South Beach, I
eat lean protein and vegetables most of the time, supplemented with some fruit,
whole grains and even an occasional "whatever meal" with refined carbs. My
total cholesterol is down more than a hundred points. My fasting glucose is
within a normal range. I no longer get gout attacks or debilitating knee pain.
My blood pressure is at its lowest. I'm better able to walk without my feet
hurting or running out of breath. But, as though all these health benefits
weren't enough, I'm gradually attaining a balance between eating what I love
ahdn what works best for my body. All in all, even though I can't always eat
what I want, I can usually find something truly enjoyable. I don't count
calories or worry about portion sizes, except with carbs and sweets, which I
must curtail. The point is that losing weight consistently and healthily hasn't
been as much of a drag as I thought it would be. But, I had to get away from
the moralizers around me who told me I'd have to do without nearly everything
and put up with persistent hunger in order to reach my goal. Fact is, I don't
have to be hungry to lose weight. In fact, the more lean protein and veggies I
eat, the fewer cravings I feel and the more weight I lose.

Bringing this back around to our original topic, let's face it, the food
industry is on the take; it wants to produce cheap foods that seem to satisfy
broad desires for grease, salt, processed meat and sugar. Fast food restaurants
make a profit because people continue patronizing them. They're not in the
business of sadistically serving unhealthy food; they want to earn a profit. If
millions of Americans wanted leaner meat that isn't fried, fewer carbs and no
high fructose corn syrup, they'd get on the ball to provide that to people. So,
why do we continue wanting these foods even though so many of us know how
unhealthy they are? In many neighborhoods, those foods are the only convenient
and affordable choices we have. It takes time and skill to cook. With both
parents working in many families, no one has time to shop or cook. But, I think
Americans could learn quite a lot from immigrant populations who, despite
hectic work schedules and grinding poverty, often still find time and energy to
cook in order to maintain vital cultural connections via food. That might be
part of the problem here. We've forgotten food as culture, home cooking as an
expression of family traditions and ethnic identity. We've bought the lie that
food is just an engineered product intended to keep us on the go and working
for the man. Food can mean so much more than the animalistic satisfaction of
primal taste urges. While I'm not suggesting that we ignore what tastes good to
us, I am suggesting that we're getting far more negative side effects from
following the tastes encouraged by the food industry.

Folks, stop trying to find the healthiest options on fast food menus, get back
home and into your kitchens.

Orlando
Stephanie
2009-05-01 12:24:01 UTC
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Post by Stephanie
On the flip side, if every person who attempted a conversation
weren't disended upon as a person of raging hate, at lease insofar
as the group were concerned, then there would be less dismissing as
psychotic blathering.
Let's be part of the solution.
What is the problem, exactly? Well I suppose that since I am posting from
WW, that I should ignore the crap intended for ssfa. But it is interesting
to me.
Post by Orlando Enrique Fiol
I haven't directed any hatred at you.
In fact, I've agreed with most of your points, which indicates that
we're beginning a fruitful conversation. It's easy for both sides on
the fat issue to blame rather than help each other. Those who condemn
the overweight need to realize that we're not fat because of
insufficient will power, control over eating or understanding of
health.
Ok. What is the cause then? When I said to another that she did not choose
to be fat any more than she chose her skin color, I am sorry, I cannot
agree. One can change in their lives. That some people can eat cheesecake
and never get fat is true. And for some of us, we could as kids but not as
adults as the metabolism and activity levels slow. Unfortunate that we
aren't all dealt the same cards. But something CAN be done about it in the
vast majority of people.

Now I would not contend that failure to do something about it is a matter of
laziness or whatever. For anyone who wishes to change anything, the process
is a journey. i did nnot quit smoking the first 10 or so times I tried. I
did not loose weight the first time I tried. Each person takes that journey
in their own way.
Post by Orlando Enrique Fiol
On the other side, those of us who've begun turning our lives
around and losing weight shouldn't get so cocky that we forget those
who haven't yet gotten to the point of needing to take desperate
measures, let alone figuring out which measures to take.
Certainly not. My only objection is the rabid schlepping of falsehoods in
order to remain confident in their current place. I like truthfulness. Call
me nuts. And I am not sure where thee "needing to take desparate measures"
comes from. Many people make change in their lives as a gradual,
contemplative thing. Not a dramatic thing.
Post by Orlando Enrique Fiol
Thue truth
is that on South Beach, I eat lean protein and vegetables most of the
time, supplemented with some fruit, whole grains and even an
occasional "whatever meal" with refined carbs. My total cholesterol
is down more than a hundred points. My fasting glucose is within a
normal range. I no longer get gout attacks or debilitating knee pain.
Yay for you! Pat yourself on the back.
Post by Orlando Enrique Fiol
My blood pressure is at its lowest. I'm better able to walk without
my feet hurting or running out of breath. But, as though all these
health benefits weren't enough, I'm gradually attaining a balance
between eating what I love ahdn what works best for my body. All in
all, even though I can't always eat what I want, I can usually find
something truly enjoyable. I don't count calories or worry about
portion sizes, except with carbs and sweets, which I must curtail.
Whatever works. I know nothing about atkins. I would prefer the Zone to WW,
myself. But preparing the carefully balanced meals is too fussy when you
have 2 small kids. Just the education process of figuring out what to do is
daunting. Then I think folks get discouraged that they "failed" with
something. I don't think of it as failing. I think of it just like quitting
smoking. Try one down. Wait and try again when it is right.
Post by Orlando Enrique Fiol
The point is that losing weight consistently and healthily hasn't
been as much of a drag as I thought it would be. But, I had to get
away from the moralizers around me who told me I'd have to do without
nearly everything and put up with persistent hunger in order to reach
my goal. Fact is, I don't have to be hungry to lose weight. In fact,
the more lean protein and veggies I eat, the fewer cravings I feel
and the more weight I lose.
Well whoevere told you those things had better not be a weight loss
counselor or dietician! Though I do say that the first week or two I was
hungry. There is a process of learning what keeps you satisfied as well as
your mind and/or body adjusting to the new scene.
Post by Orlando Enrique Fiol
Bringing this back around to our original topic, let's face it, the
food industry is on the take; it wants to produce cheap foods that
seem to satisfy broad desires for grease, salt, processed meat and
sugar. Fast food restaurants make a profit because people continue
patronizing them. They're not in the business of sadistically serving
unhealthy food; they want to earn a profit.
So? What does that have to do with it? We can choose not to patronize them.
I actually let my kids eat McNasty every once in a blue mood. I beleive that
you have to treat. I don't like the stuff.
Post by Orlando Enrique Fiol
If millions of Americans
wanted leaner meat that isn't fried, fewer carbs and no high fructose
corn syrup, they'd get on the ball to provide that to people. So, why
do we continue wanting these foods even though so many of us know how
unhealthy they are?
Animals are not meant to live in the absence of competition and want. High
calorie foods are desirable because animals are frequently in want. The high
carb stuff is available... in the summer. Animals' jobs during teh growing
season is to pack on fat for the winter. Thus the carb addiction you hear
about. Eat the berries, the wild grains, the wild bagels :) so that you
store fat for winter.

We are no longer in want. We live in excess. But our bodies are still that
of nature.
Post by Orlando Enrique Fiol
In many neighborhoods, those foods are the only
convenient and affordable choices we have. It takes time and skill to
cook. With both parents working in many families, no one has time to
shop or cook. But, I think Americans could learn quite a lot from
immigrant populations who, despite hectic work schedules and grinding
poverty, often still find time and energy to cook in order to
maintain vital cultural connections via food.
Cooking just isnt that BFD. It is just another thing to do. I love it when
people say I don't know how to do laundry. Geez you put the crap in one
machine then the other. Same with cooking. You don't h ave to be Julia
Child's to put dinner on the table. Any library hass probably 2 shelves of
cookbooks. The internet has a zillion cooking resources.
Post by Orlando Enrique Fiol
That might be part of
the problem here. We've forgotten food as culture, home cooking as an
expression of family traditions and ethnic identity. We've bought the
lie that food is just an engineered product intended to keep us on
the go and working for the man. Food can mean so much more than the
animalistic satisfaction of primal taste urges. While I'm not
suggesting that we ignore what tastes good to us, I am suggesting
that we're getting far more negative side effects from following the
tastes encouraged by the food industry.
Folks, stop trying to find the healthiest options on fast food menus,
get back home and into your kitchens.
Not bad advice.
Post by Orlando Enrique Fiol
Orlando
Orlando Enrique Fiol
2009-05-01 01:24:56 UTC
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Post by Stephanie
I am the wrong person to seek help from, nor would he hear it if I offered,
as evidenced by his responses.
I might seek help from you if I could reach you at a valid email address. Who's
to say you couldn't help someone like him? Stranger things have happened when
people start talking sincerely.

Orlando
Stephanie
2009-05-01 12:24:41 UTC
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Post by Orlando Enrique Fiol
Post by Stephanie
I am the wrong person to seek help from, nor would he hear it if I
offered, as evidenced by his responses.
I might seek help from you if I could reach you at a valid email
address. Who's to say you couldn't help someone like him? Stranger
things have happened when people start talking sincerely.
Orlando
He doesnt want or need help, it seems to me.
Stephanie
2009-04-29 18:24:57 UTC
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Post by Stephanie
Post by The Master
However, in the real world, where kids already eat the junk food,
what then? Give a chicken nugget eating child some grilled chicken
breast strips, he or she will ask what the white stuff is (the
chicken) and refuse to eat it.
And thene what? Proceed to starve to death on thee spot? Assuming
that you speak to your child anywa, you explain about healthy eating
habits and learning new ways.
You're funny... Reasoning with an 8 year old? ROTFLMAO!
You know what, you don't have the advantage of my whole story. So why don't
I share.

Wen my son was born, I was a smoker who had quit smoking while pregnant. I
resumed smoking nearly the millilsecond my son was done nursing. I was very
large at that point having never had very good eating habits to begin with.
Some years went by. And as they did, I had helped my son adopt some pretty
crappy eating habits of his own. He did not eat "enouogh" so I made
something else. Pickiest eatere you ever saw.

Over time two things dawned on me. I was not healthy. I also, frankly, was
not as attractive as I wanted to be. How can you be with that stinky thing
hanging out of your face?!? Etcetera and so forth. Over quite a bit of time
a journey followed which involved DH and I quitting smoking. We both slimmed
down, me by Weight Watchers and then learning how to exercise with a
personal trainer (whose patience I tested by being such a weenie) and him by
exercising like a maniac and just eating nearly nothing but lean meat, fruit
and veggies. I went from an 18 to a a 6. (I don't know what the weights
are/were since weight has no meaning to me.)

At the same time we looked at our son's diet and concluded it was crap. We
floundered with what to do abouot it. We did not want to make him miserable!
The in-laws would bich that he was not eating 'enough' and would do what I
had... short order cook until DS could not stand thee sight of food, it
caused such a ruckus of oooh and wringing of hands. Thi Was Just Wrong. We
dutifully reported that DS's diet was crap and thata it was our fault and
that we were cogitating. He would smile and patiently remind us that no one
ever starved on brussel sprout island.

Slowly and over time, with a couple of strng shoves at important points, we
lessened the amount of crap food available ton the table. We spoke to him
about our responsibility as parents to help him grow up to be the best him
he could be. Usually did that NOT at meal time ... And then we smiled
understandingly and said No we are sorry, we are not making you mac n cheese
for the 100th time this week. Dinner tonight is meatloaf, mashed potatoes
and peas, carrots and grapes. When you have finished the microscopic amounts
of the things you don't like on your plate, you can have more potatoes.
Would you like to try the peas or the grapes tonight for a new food?


Now among his list of favorite foods:

- beef terryaki
- home made mac n cheese with whole wheat pasta
- baked chicken fingers
- salmon in pretty much any form you give it to him from grilled, loaf,
patties...
- peaches
- bananas
- corn (he does not fight veggies, but he doesnt really love them either)
- home made baked fish sticks
- yougurt smoothies with fruit...
- cheese slices on whole wheat crackers
- bagels with hummous (I bought hummus as some kind of mental collapse
thinking that there was no WAY he would like it. But if he didn't at least I
would. He loved it from the first try.)


Oh I cannot even go on. We have a few cookbooks now that they get to pick
what to cook out of, including "Deceptively Delicious" by Seinfeld's wife.
.I never decieve them, though I do spin. The beets in the cake are to make
it purple. My daughter has chosen to try tuna salad because the recipe is
made inside a pipe crust shaped like a fish even though she does not like
tuna....


And then there are things that they willingly accept though they dont care
about one way or the other. I mix pureed cauliflower into the home made mac
n cheese. It gives it a little extra tang that they like...

And we DO eat crap too, just not as a regular event. We make cookies like
everyone else, thoguh we don't expect dessert every night. When we have
bbq's, we buy a bag of chips. We have treats that are exactly that, treats.
And BOY the extra fun involved in the treat is so ... well.... fun!


So obviously your guffaws of you can't be serious and whatnot are not very
compelling to me.
The Master
2009-04-29 19:48:12 UTC
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Post by Stephanie
Slowly and over time, with a couple of strng shoves at important points, we
lessened the amount of crap food available ton the table.
Sounds like a long road, probably made up by small steps along the way...
Can you imagine if instead of step 1 to step 2 to step 3 to step 4, you
went from step 1 to step 96 directly?

This article in question tells you point A, then gives you point B, and
says nothing of steps in the middle. Trying to do that right away will
only HURT your goal, not help it.
ashsmh
2009-04-29 22:22:26 UTC
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Post by The Master
Post by Stephanie
Slowly and over time, with a couple of strng shoves at important points, we
lessened the amount of crap food available ton the table.
Sounds like a long road, probably made up by small steps along the way...
Can you imagine if instead of step 1 to step 2 to step 3 to step 4, you
went from step 1 to step 96 directly?
This article in question tells you point A, then gives you point B, and
says nothing of steps in the middle.  Trying to do that right away will
only HURT your goal, not help it.
To better protect our kids from these deadly restaurant foods. You can
prepare these very recipes of your favorite restaurants at home.
Checkout this website <a href="http://www.smash-marketing.com/
cooking&reciepes.htm> Recipes from your Favorite American Restaurants</
a> for some great recipe secrets.
Willow Herself
2009-04-29 22:52:58 UTC
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Post by Stephanie
Post by The Master
However, in the real world, where kids already eat the junk food, what
then? Give a chicken nugget eating child some grilled chicken breast
strips, he or she will ask what the white stuff is (the chicken) and
refuse to eat it.
And thene what? Proceed to starve to death on thee spot? Assuming that you
speak to your child anywa, you explain about healthy eating habits and
learning new ways.
You're funny... Reasoning with an 8 year old? ROTFLMAO!
Oh shit, you mean you are being serious? *shaking head*
There have been studies that show that forcing a child to eat healthy food
only re-enforces the idea that the food isn't good to begin with. Giving
the child the choice of eating good food or not eat, many will pick to not
eat or eat very little. However, what that does is make them associate
healthy food with punishment.
You know "Master"... you're a great exemple of what's wrong with America...

If you can't teach an 8 years old to deal with things he/she isn't happy
about, what kind of teenager/adult will that kid become?

I love it, feed a kid junk food crap because they kid will REFUSE to eat
anything else.. that's so sad it's funny.

It has nothing to do with food, it has to do with actually raising a kid.
Truth
2009-04-30 00:28:07 UTC
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On Wed, 29 Apr 2009, "Willow Herself"
Post by Willow Herself
Post by The Master
Post by The Master
However, in the real world, where kids already eat the junk food, what
then? Give a chicken nugget eating child some grilled chicken breast
strips, he or she will ask what the white stuff is (the chicken) and
refuse to eat it.
And thene what? Proceed to starve to death on thee spot? Assuming that you
speak to your child anywa, you explain about healthy eating habits and
learning new ways.
You're funny... Reasoning with an 8 year old? ROTFLMAO!
Oh shit, you mean you are being serious? *shaking head*
There have been studies that show that forcing a child to eat healthy
food only re-enforces the idea that the food isn't good to begin with.
Giving the child the choice of eating good food or not eat, many will
pick to not eat or eat very little. However, what that does is make
them associate healthy food with punishment.
You know "Master"... you're a great exemple of what's wrong with America...
If you can't teach an 8 years old to deal with things he/she isn't happy
about, what kind of teenager/adult will that kid become?
I love it, feed a kid junk food crap because they kid will REFUSE to eat
anything else.. that's so sad it's funny.
It has nothing to do with food, it has to do with actually raising a kid.
TM does not have custody of his fat kids. The court found him to be an
unfit parent. His wife left him after she lost weight, gained self-esteem,
then realized that he's scum and left him.
Robin King
2009-04-30 22:06:24 UTC
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Post by Truth
TM does not have custody of his fat kids. The court found him to be an
unfit parent. His wife left him after she lost weight, gained
self-esteem,
Post by Truth
then realized that he's scum and left him.
"Truth hurts" - is that why you don't tell it? The ex-Mrs.
Master took quite a drop in living standards when she got divorced.
Besides, what does getting yourself eviscerated in order to conform to
the beauty standards of the day have to do with self-esteem? I'd
rather be fat.

Robin
The Master
2009-04-30 22:45:09 UTC
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Post by Robin King
Post by Truth
TM does not have custody of his fat kids. The court found him to be
an
Post by Truth
unfit parent.
"Truth hurts" - is that why you don't tell it?
Anyone who has gone through a divorce can tell you, the mother is ASSUMED
to be the better parent, and unless it can be proven that she abuses them
or is an active criminal, she gets the children, even in Texas.

I didn't try to fight her for custody for 2 simple reasons:

1) Making it more bitter and painful then it had to be would only harm the
children.

2) I was going to lose anyhow.

As it is, I get them most weekends, she keeps them only 5 or so weekends a
year for special events. And considering she lives in one of the best
school districts in the state of Texas, I felt it would cause more harm
then good to be the asshole that "truth" would have rather me be.
Post by Robin King
The ex-Mrs.
Master took quite a drop in living standards when she got divorced.
Oh yeah... Even with child support taken from my check, I still make
above the US median household income. On the other hand, my ex wife and
her now husband each make about what my child support payment is, and thus
accounts for 1/3rd of their total household income.
Post by Robin King
Besides, what does getting yourself eviscerated in order to conform to
the beauty standards of the day have to do with self-esteem? I'd
rather be fat.
Weak minded people who base their self worth on the opinions of others...
Elaine
2009-04-30 23:04:50 UTC
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On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:45:09 +0000, The Master
Post by The Master
Post by Robin King
Post by Truth
TM does not have custody of his fat kids. The court found him to be
an
Post by Truth
unfit parent.
"Truth hurts" - is that why you don't tell it?
Anyone who has gone through a divorce can tell you, the mother is ASSUMED
to be the better parent, and unless it can be proven that she abuses them
or is an active criminal, she gets the children, even in Texas.
1) Making it more bitter and painful then it had to be would only harm the
children.
2) I was going to lose anyhow.
As it is, I get them most weekends, she keeps them only 5 or so weekends a
year for special events. And considering she lives in one of the best
school districts in the state of Texas, I felt it would cause more harm
then good to be the asshole that "truth" would have rather me be.
Post by Robin King
The ex-Mrs.
Master took quite a drop in living standards when she got divorced.
Oh yeah... Even with child support taken from my check, I still make
above the US median household income. On the other hand, my ex wife and
her now husband each make about what my child support payment is, and thus
accounts for 1/3rd of their total household income.
Post by Robin King
Besides, what does getting yourself eviscerated in order to conform to
the beauty standards of the day have to do with self-esteem? I'd
rather be fat.
Weak minded people who base their self worth on the opinions of others...
That is almost identical to the answer that the big fat woman at work
offered when approached about her "no bath" policy that resulted in
others complaining to the supervisor.

Elaine
The Master
2009-05-01 15:32:42 UTC
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Post by Elaine
That is almost identical to the answer that the big fat woman at work
offered when approached about her "no bath" policy that resulted in
others complaining to the supervisor.
Poor personal hygiene is not limited to fat people Elaine, no matter how
much your hate makes you want to insist otherwise. Good try though. Gold
star for effort.
The Master
2009-04-30 15:59:07 UTC
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Post by Willow Herself
You know "Master"... you're a great exemple of what's wrong with America...
If you can't teach an 8 years old to deal with things he/she isn't happy
about, what kind of teenager/adult will that kid become?
I love it, feed a kid junk food crap because they kid will REFUSE to eat
anything else.. that's so sad it's funny.
It has nothing to do with food, it has to do with actually raising a kid.
And that's fine and dandy. But that's not what the article was talking
about Willow and you know it.

You take your family out to eat, and your kid wants unhealthy choice
number 4. You, as a reader of whatever magazine this "list" came from,
gladly suggests healthy alternative 4 instead. What the fuck will your
kid do?

I'm not talking about working with them, teaching them to make good
choices over a period of time. I am talking about right then, when your
kid wants the bad choice, as the first time you are going to do something
about it, how would the result go?

As I said, how about a choice they will actually try?
Kaz Kylheku
2009-05-01 01:17:10 UTC
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Post by The Master
Post by Willow Herself
You know "Master"... you're a great exemple of what's wrong with America...
If you can't teach an 8 years old to deal with things he/she isn't happy
about, what kind of teenager/adult will that kid become?
I love it, feed a kid junk food crap because they kid will REFUSE to eat
anything else.. that's so sad it's funny.
It has nothing to do with food, it has to do with actually raising a kid.
And that's fine and dandy. But that's not what the article was talking
about Willow and you know it.
You take your family out to eat, and your kid wants unhealthy choice
number 4.
You don't go out to eat where there is an unhealthy choice number 4.

So your kids have never been there, and don't know that there is such a thing.
Anonymous Remailer
2009-05-01 09:06:48 UTC
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Post by Kaz Kylheku
Post by The Master
Post by Willow Herself
You know "Master"... you're a great exemple of what's wrong with America...
If you can't teach an 8 years old to deal with things he/she isn't happy
about, what kind of teenager/adult will that kid become?
I love it, feed a kid junk food crap because they kid will REFUSE to eat
anything else.. that's so sad it's funny.
It has nothing to do with food, it has to do with actually raising a kid.
And that's fine and dandy. But that's not what the article was talking
about Willow and you know it.
You take your family out to eat, and your kid wants unhealthy choice
number 4.
You don't go out to eat where there is an unhealthy choice number 4.
So your kids have never been there, and don't know that there is such a thing.
Kids find every possible bad choice because they are driven to
it by mass marketing targeted at children.
Orlando Enrique Fiol
2009-05-01 04:27:35 UTC
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Post by Willow Herself
If you can't teach an 8 years old to deal with things he/she isn't happy
about, what kind of teenager/adult will that kid become?
A teenager demanding that life make them happy all the time.
Post by Willow Herself
I love it, feed a kid junk food crap because they kid will REFUSE to eat
anything else.. that's so sad it's funny.
If I had behaved that way during my childhood, I would have starved because my
family was not about to feed me junk food on a daily basis.
Post by Willow Herself
It has nothing to do with food, it has to do with actually raising a kid.
Agreed. So far, we've gotten no rational explanation why it's better to let a
kid eat all the junk food they want.

Orlando
Willow Herself
2009-05-01 04:39:47 UTC
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Post by Orlando Enrique Fiol
Post by Willow Herself
If you can't teach an 8 years old to deal with things he/she isn't happy
about, what kind of teenager/adult will that kid become?
A teenager demanding that life make them happy all the time.
As a highschool teacher, I can tell you it's no pretty sight.
Post by Orlando Enrique Fiol
Post by Willow Herself
I love it, feed a kid junk food crap because they kid will REFUSE to eat
anything else.. that's so sad it's funny.
If I had behaved that way during my childhood, I would have starved because my
family was not about to feed me junk food on a daily basis.
*grin* My mother never "forced" us to do anything, she just prepared dinner
and if you don't want it, then you can prepare yourself something else, but
there were only healthy foods in the fridge.

We did have treats, but they were treats, occasional. You know, not only we
survived, but we were the kids who got sick the less often in the entire
neighborhood.

We did rebel, throw fits, which Mom ignored, at worst putting us in our room
while it lasted, and since it didn't lead anywhere, we stopped doing it
fairly fast.
Post by Orlando Enrique Fiol
Post by Willow Herself
It has nothing to do with food, it has to do with actually raising a kid.
Agreed. So far, we've gotten no rational explanation why it's better to let a
kid eat all the junk food they want.
Orlando
I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.

Will~
Orlando Enrique Fiol
2009-05-01 06:09:03 UTC
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Post by Willow Herself
As a highschool teacher, I can tell you it's no pretty sight.
I can only imagine what you must go through, trying to explain to teenagers
that they're not entitled to much of anything and should figure out how to give
more and take less.
Post by Willow Herself
*grin* My mother never "forced" us to do anything, she just prepared dinner
and if you don't want it, then you can prepare yourself something else, but
there were only healthy foods in the fridge.
I was a picky eater, to be sure, going through phases where I couldn't tolerate
certain textures. But, I never parleyed my picky eating into a junk food
preference.
Post by Willow Herself
We did have treats, but they were treats, occasional. You know, not only we
survived, but we were the kids who got sick the less often in the entire
neighborhood.
Same here.
Post by Willow Herself
We did rebel, throw fits, which Mom ignored, at worst putting us in our room
while it lasted, and since it didn't lead anywhere, we stopped doing it
fairly fast.
I didn't even bother throwing fits over food.

Orlando
Kate XXXXXX
2009-05-01 07:51:12 UTC
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Post by Willow Herself
Post by Orlando Enrique Fiol
Post by Willow Herself
If you can't teach an 8 years old to deal with things he/she isn't happy
about, what kind of teenager/adult will that kid become?
A teenager demanding that life make them happy all the time.
As a highschool teacher, I can tell you it's no pretty sight.
Yeah... I've had to deal with far too many 14 YO's having a
brat-tantrum that I'd grown out of by the time I was four.
Post by Willow Herself
Post by Orlando Enrique Fiol
Post by Willow Herself
I love it, feed a kid junk food crap because they kid will REFUSE to eat
anything else.. that's so sad it's funny.
If I had behaved that way during my childhood, I would have starved because my
family was not about to feed me junk food on a daily basis.
*grin* My mother never "forced" us to do anything, she just prepared dinner
and if you don't want it, then you can prepare yourself something else, but
there were only healthy foods in the fridge.
No alternatives in our fridge. The choice was eat it or be hungry until
the next meal. Occasional concessions were made: I wasn't forced to eat
fried eggs, but no extra something else was offered, and Little Sis
wasn't forced to eat cooked cabbage, but if sha wanted her portion made
into salad, she did that herself.
Post by Willow Herself
We did have treats, but they were treats, occasional. You know, not only we
survived, but we were the kids who got sick the less often in the entire
neighborhood.
Oddly, I see a parallel with my family here... ;)
Post by Willow Herself
We did rebel, throw fits, which Mom ignored, at worst putting us in our room
while it lasted, and since it didn't lead anywhere, we stopped doing it
fairly fast.
Yup, before I was four. Mum took my shoes off, too, on the grounds that
A: naked drumming heels made less noise, and B: I was likely to kick
less and stop sooner as I wasn't about to hurt myself. Anything I broke
of mine while in a tantrum was thrown out and not replaced. Anything I
broke of someone elses was replaced out of whatever birthday and
Christmas money I recieved BEFORE I got the rest to spend...
Post by Willow Herself
Post by Orlando Enrique Fiol
Post by Willow Herself
It has nothing to do with food, it has to do with actually raising a kid.
Agreed. So far, we've gotten no rational explanation why it's better to let a
kid eat all the junk food they want.
Orlando
I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.
Me neither. I have always taken the lazy way out with my kid: nip the
undesireable behaviour in the bud before it develops into a major
problem, and it's easier to deal with. Result: a 14 YO who is waaaay
bigger than I am that does what he's supposed to most of the time, and
when he doesn't and is hauled over the coals for it, realizes that the
resulting loss of priviledge is entirely his responsibility. And once
he's over the sulk about it (takes about 20 minutes), usually apologizes
without much promting (if any), and attempts to do better in future.

Kids are kids. Some errors they repeat a time or two before the lesson
sticks. Having to replace the coat they lost or the new shoes they
destroyed playing footie in them rather than changing to trainers/soccer
boots out of their hard won pocket money (has to be earned in this
house!) so they can't afford the latest PS II game or pair of designer
sunglasses they were saving for is a lesson worth learning.

He almost lost the coming weekend's field training camp with the cadets
last night by being stupid. Today he's a shining example of angelic
helpfulness. When teased gently about this, he produced a rueful grin,
and a 'Yeah, well... I'm stoooopid sometimes'.

This lesson will stick for a good few months, I think.

No, it really isn't about food. It's about teaching your kids to be
people. They are apprentices of life and need help, guidance, a safe
place to learn to correct errors, and the secure knowledge that they are
loved. Teaching good eating habits that will give them a longer and
healthier life starts when they are too tiny to know the difference
between good nutrition and bad. It means teaching them to try all sorts
of different things. It means giving them the skills to decline some
things and accept others gracefully, based on experience and knowledge.
Kids WILL eat the unfamiliar and the strange, and the stuff they find
vaguely unpleasant when they know this won't happen every day, and when
they know that someting is good for them. And when they see friends and
family trying them. They need to learn to make choices when they are
quite young. For little ones, offer broccoli or beans as a green veg,
rather than copping out altogether. Once they make the choice, they are
usually quite happy to eat a reasonable portion of the results of that
choice.

Now the GMNT is at the stage when he'll take a bite out of the broccoli
and say, 'Hm... I let this cook too long!' and then finish it anyway,
and choose the peppers, onion and tomatoes out of the roasted
vegetables, but leave the courgettes and mushrooms rather than rejecting
the whole lot out of hand.

Yes, he'll eat junk food if he needs refuelling and there's no
alternative, but on the other hand he still waxes lyrical about the
hand-crafted pizza he had in Biaritz last year, and dwells on the way
they were cooked in stone bottomed ovens and had charcoaly bits off the
oven on the bottom. Horrid brat, teasing me like that!
--
Kate XXXXXX R.C.T.Q Madame Chef des Trolls
Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons
http://www.katedicey.co.uk
Click on Kate's Pages and explore!
Stephanie
2009-05-01 12:37:22 UTC
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Post by Willow Herself
I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.
Me neither. I have always taken the lazy way out with my kid: nip the
undesireable behaviour in the bud before it develops into a major
problem, and it's easier to deal with.
What my favorite parenting author calls "investment discipline."
Post by Kate XXXXXX
Result: a 14 YO who is waaaay
bigger than I am that does what he's supposed to most of the time, and
when he doesn't and is hauled over the coals for it, realizes that the
resulting loss of priviledge is entirely his responsibility. And once
he's over the sulk about it (takes about 20 minutes), usually
apologizes without much promting (if any), and attempts to do better
in future.
Sounds like my 8yo. And my 5yo for that matter. Freedom comes with
responsibilty. You want to be able to play in the woods and not just thee
yard. You are responsible to stay in earshot and stay out of the road.
Demonstrate you are not responsible. you loose the freedom. It is not
punishment. It is reality.
Post by Kate XXXXXX
Kids are kids. Some errors they repeat a time or two before the
lesson sticks. Having to replace the coat they lost or the new shoes
they destroyed playing footie in them rather than changing to
trainers/soccer boots out of their hard won pocket money (has to be
earned in this house!) so they can't afford the latest PS II game or
pair of designer sunglasses they were saving for is a lesson worth
learning.
He almost lost the coming weekend's field training camp with the
cadets last night by being stupid.
I remember having my kids and 2 other kids. We were taking a trip to the
beach (lake :( ). They were being total jerks, not listening to a single
thing I said. I pulled the car over. I said to all four of them. It is
unsafe for me to take 4 children who will no listen to my requests for safe
and considerate behavior. I will not have you be unsafe. If you want to go
to the beach, it is time to start listening to me. If any ignoring
continues, we will turn around and go home. Understood? We pulled out, and
the older boy of the other 2 kids immediately starts in on the previous
behavior (unbuckling his belt). My son says Stop It. She is not kidding. Put
your belt on now or she will bring us home. No she won't says the kid. YES
SHE WILL says my son. They were angels for the rest of the day.
Kate XXXXXX
2009-05-01 13:14:14 UTC
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Post by Stephanie
Post by Kate XXXXXX
Post by Willow Herself
I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.
Me neither. I have always taken the lazy way out with my kid: nip the
undesireable behaviour in the bud before it develops into a major
problem, and it's easier to deal with.
What my favorite parenting author calls "investment discipline."
Post by Kate XXXXXX
Result: a 14 YO who is waaaay
bigger than I am that does what he's supposed to most of the time, and
when he doesn't and is hauled over the coals for it, realizes that the
resulting loss of priviledge is entirely his responsibility. And once
he's over the sulk about it (takes about 20 minutes), usually
apologizes without much promting (if any), and attempts to do better
in future.
Sounds like my 8yo. And my 5yo for that matter. Freedom comes with
responsibilty. You want to be able to play in the woods and not just thee
yard. You are responsible to stay in earshot and stay out of the road.
Demonstrate you are not responsible. you loose the freedom. It is not
punishment. It is reality.
Post by Kate XXXXXX
Kids are kids. Some errors they repeat a time or two before the
lesson sticks. Having to replace the coat they lost or the new shoes
they destroyed playing footie in them rather than changing to
trainers/soccer boots out of their hard won pocket money (has to be
earned in this house!) so they can't afford the latest PS II game or
pair of designer sunglasses they were saving for is a lesson worth
learning.
He almost lost the coming weekend's field training camp with the
cadets last night by being stupid.
I remember having my kids and 2 other kids. We were taking a trip to the
beach (lake :( ). They were being total jerks, not listening to a single
thing I said. I pulled the car over. I said to all four of them. It is
unsafe for me to take 4 children who will no listen to my requests for safe
and considerate behavior. I will not have you be unsafe. If you want to go
to the beach, it is time to start listening to me. If any ignoring
continues, we will turn around and go home. Understood? We pulled out, and
the older boy of the other 2 kids immediately starts in on the previous
behavior (unbuckling his belt). My son says Stop It. She is not kidding. Put
your belt on now or she will bring us home. No she won't says the kid. YES
SHE WILL says my son. They were angels for the rest of the day.
We've done that before now...

On the other hand, he's also been given free ice cream by the landlady
(as a treat, with my permission granted first and out of his hearing)
for behaving impeccably in a pub at lunch time, to the embarassment of
another family with an older tantrum in tow. GMNT was two and a bit at
the time.

He was, I have to say, irritatingly cherubic as a very small, about 98%
of the time. Boiled Goblin fits were few and far between and usually
lasted less than half an hour, especially if ignored. Strangers would
say 'He's on his best behaviour today', and I'd say, 'No, this is normal!'

I admit it. I was spoiled as a mum! ;)
--
Kate XXXXXX R.C.T.Q Madame Chef des Trolls
Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons
http://www.katedicey.co.uk
Click on Kate's Pages and explore!
Anthony Allende
2009-04-29 16:56:41 UTC
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Post by The Master
Post by Stephanie
Post by The Master
Who ever wrote this list has never had a kid, or never had a kid that
liked junk food and tried to make them eat healthy instead. What
"Invasion of the Body Snatchers" 8 year old do you have that will
drink and eat the above "alternatives"?
Anyone for whom
- modelling healthy eating choices is a part of every day life (and
prefereably started when the kid was born rather than adopted later. An
ounce of prevention...)
- parents don't allow them to eat crap on a regular basis any more than they
allow them to stick knives in their eyes.
In other words, the ones that are already eating this way, and who never
ate the other way... So what? It's easy as hell to not drink Coca-Cola,
if you have never had it.
However, in the real world, where kids already eat the junk food, what
then? Give a chicken nugget eating child some grilled chicken breast
strips, he or she will ask what the white stuff is (the chicken) and
refuse to eat it. Pointing to healthy alternatives the child will REFUSE
to eat does no one any good! How about some alternatives that they might
actually give a try?
WAHHHH It's not my fault!!

Typical whining fatass American
The Master
2009-04-29 17:27:56 UTC
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Post by Anthony Allende
WAHHHH It's not my fault!!
So you believe that when posting a list of alternative foods for children,
the expectation that the children in question will actually eat it is
unreasonable?
Stephanie
2009-04-29 17:48:56 UTC
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Post by The Master
Post by Anthony Allende
WAHHHH It's not my fault!!
So you believe that when posting a list of alternative foods for
children, the expectation that the children in question will actually
eat it is unreasonable?
What is unreasonable about chicken?
The Master
2009-04-29 19:38:46 UTC
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Post by Stephanie
Post by The Master
So you believe that when posting a list of alternative foods for
children, the expectation that the children in question will actually
eat it is unreasonable?
What is unreasonable about chicken?
In it's own right, nothing. But forcing a child to eat it when they don't
want to, will make them associate chicken with punishment. We are
talking about children who are used to Chicken McNuggets, and trying to
make them eat better.
Stephanie
2009-04-29 23:23:40 UTC
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Post by The Master
Post by Stephanie
Post by The Master
So you believe that when posting a list of alternative foods for
children, the expectation that the children in question will
actually eat it is unreasonable?
What is unreasonable about chicken?
In it's own right, nothing. But forcing a child to eat it when they
don't want to, will make them associate chicken with punishment.
Nobody said anything about forcing. I hardly see "forcing" as the oppositie
of not offering crap.
Post by The Master
We
are talking about children who are used to Chicken McNuggets, and
trying to make them eat better.
So... youo... what? Give up and decide the chicken mcnuggets are loverly?
The Master
2009-04-30 16:00:44 UTC
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Post by Stephanie
Post by The Master
In it's own right, nothing. But forcing a child to eat it when they
don't want to, will make them associate chicken with punishment.
Nobody said anything about forcing. I hardly see "forcing" as the oppositie
of not offering crap.
And that goes back to this list is the most help BEFORE the kid gets into
the bad habbits. As a way to change behavior, it's grossly lacking.
Stephanie
2009-04-30 16:09:28 UTC
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Post by The Master
Post by Stephanie
Post by The Master
In it's own right, nothing. But forcing a child to eat it when they
don't want to, will make them associate chicken with punishment.
Nobody said anything about forcing. I hardly see "forcing" as the
oppositie of not offering crap.
And that goes back to this list is the most help BEFORE the kid gets
into the bad habbits. As a way to change behavior, it's grossly
lacking.
Yeah it would be nice if we were all perfect out of the gate. But that is
not in the cards. So what.... you decide to throw up your hands and abdicate
your responsibility to your child because you fucked up in the first place?
Great fuck up once then follow up with a willful fuck up because


I Cannnnnnnn't. They woooooooon't. I can't talk tot hem. Blahdeeblah
Orlando Enrique Fiol
2009-05-01 00:25:50 UTC
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Post by Stephanie
Yeah it would be nice if we were all perfect out of the gate. But that is
not in the cards. So what.... you decide to throw up your hands and abdicate
your responsibility to your child because you fucked up in the first place?
Great fuck up once then follow up with a willful fuck up because
I Cannnnnnnn't. They woooooooon't. I can't talk tot hem. Blahdeeblah
I completely agree. I think many parents allow their children to eat badly out
of sheer sloth and selfishness. Rather than take time to cook healthy food or
at least seek it out in public, they just go for whatever's conveniently
available. This fosters a mentality that food is purely intended for a feeling
of convenient nourishment; never mind that unhealthy food is anything but
nourishing. Fast food does not make memories. I've never heard anyone wax
nostalgic about the calory-laden foods enumerated in the original article. If
one is going to remember certain childhood comfort foods fondly, let them at
least be home made from ingredients actually found in nature.

Orlando
Kaz Kylheku
2009-05-01 01:18:08 UTC
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Post by The Master
Post by Stephanie
Post by The Master
In it's own right, nothing. But forcing a child to eat it when they
don't want to, will make them associate chicken with punishment.
Nobody said anything about forcing. I hardly see "forcing" as the oppositie
of not offering crap.
And that goes back to this list is the most help BEFORE the kid gets into
the bad habbits. As a way to change behavior, it's grossly lacking.
Come on, the list recommends that a healthy alternative is a 350 calorie
drink containing 85 grams of sugar.

The article was written by a complete moron.
Stephanie
2009-04-29 17:48:31 UTC
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Post by Anthony Allende
Post by The Master
Post by Stephanie
Post by The Master
Who ever wrote this list has never had a kid, or never had a kid
that liked junk food and tried to make them eat healthy instead. What
"Invasion of the Body Snatchers" 8 year old do you have that
will drink and eat the above "alternatives"?
Anyone for whom
- modelling healthy eating choices is a part of every day life (and
prefereably started when the kid was born rather than adopted
later. An ounce of prevention...)
- parents don't allow them to eat crap on a regular basis any more than they
allow them to stick knives in their eyes.
In other words, the ones that are already eating this way, and who
never ate the other way... So what? It's easy as hell to not drink
Coca-Cola, if you have never had it.
However, in the real world, where kids already eat the junk food,
what then? Give a chicken nugget eating child some grilled chicken
breast strips, he or she will ask what the white stuff is (the
chicken) and refuse to eat it. Pointing to healthy alternatives the
child will REFUSE to eat does no one any good! How about some
alternatives that they might actually give a try?
WAHHHH It's not my fault!!
Typical whining fatass American
It's sooo haaaaaaarrrrddd.
r***@live.com
2009-04-29 15:42:52 UTC
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On Apr 29, 11:07 am, The Master
Post by The Master
Post by J Craig
Drink This, Instead: Strawberry Citrus Fruit Blast (small)
<<snip>>
Post by J Craig
Eat This, Instead: Pepper Pals Grilled Chicken Platter with Cinnamon Apples
Who ever wrote this list has never had a kid, or never had a kid that
liked junk food and tried to make them eat healthy instead.  What
"Invasion of the Body Snatchers" 8 year old do you have that will drink
and eat the above "alternatives"?
Post by J Craig
Provided by Men's Health
Waste of time provided by Men's Health you mean...
No it's not a waste of time. The problem lies with parental control.
Too many people today want to be friends with their children and fuck
the parenting stuff. The very idea of giving a young child a choice
between healthier food and junk food at dinner is ludicrous. In a
properly parented household it’s the healthier alternative of nothing.
The kid won’t starve because like any other animal it will eat when it
gets hungry enough. Sure the child will want to eat the junk in many
cases but as a parent your job is to say "NO" at times.

OMG, what a novel concept.

Ragnar
Raul
2009-04-30 02:10:00 UTC
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Post by r***@live.com
On Apr 29, 11:07 am, The Master
Post by The Master
Post by J Craig
Drink This, Instead: Strawberry Citrus Fruit Blast (small)
<<snip>>
Post by J Craig
Eat This, Instead: Pepper Pals Grilled Chicken Platter with Cinnamon Apples
Who ever wrote this list has never had a kid, or never had a kid that
liked junk food and tried to make them eat healthy instead.  What
"Invasion of the Body Snatchers" 8 year old do you have that will drink
and eat the above "alternatives"?
Post by J Craig
Provided by Men's Health
Waste of time provided by Men's Health you mean...
No it's not a waste of time. The problem lies with parental control.
Too many people today want to be friends with their children and fuck
the parenting stuff. The very idea of giving a young child a choice
between healthier food and junk food at dinner is ludicrous. In a
properly parented household it’s the healthier alternative of nothing.
The kid won’t starve because like any other animal it will eat when it
gets hungry enough. Sure the child will want to eat the junk in many
cases but as a parent your job is to say "NO" at times.
OMG, what a novel concept.
Ragnar
What Ragtard is trying to say is that you are a lousy parent, TM.
r***@live.com
2009-04-30 19:04:52 UTC
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Post by r***@live.com
On Apr 29, 11:07 am, The Master
Post by The Master
Post by J Craig
Drink This, Instead: Strawberry Citrus Fruit Blast (small)
<<snip>>
Post by J Craig
Eat This, Instead: Pepper Pals Grilled Chicken Platter with Cinnamon Apples
Who ever wrote this list has never had a kid, or never had a kid that
liked junk food and tried to make them eat healthy instead.  What
"Invasion of the Body Snatchers" 8 year old do you have that will drink
and eat the above "alternatives"?
Post by J Craig
Provided by Men's Health
Waste of time provided by Men's Health you mean...
No it's not a waste of time. The problem lies with parental control.
Too many people today want to be friends with their children and fuck
the parenting stuff. The very idea of giving a young child a choice
between healthier food and junk food at dinner is ludicrous. In a
properly parented household it’s the healthier alternative of nothing.
The kid won’t starve because like any other animal it will eat when it
gets hungry enough. Sure the child will want to eat the junk in many
cases but as a parent your job is to say "NO" at times.
OMG, what a novel concept.
Ragnar
What Ragtard is trying to say is that you are a lousy parent, TM.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Not at all dipshit, I have never cast any aspersions on TM’s parenting
skills. In fact I don’t even know if he has kids. What I am saying
besides the fact that you are a complete tool, is that children need
guidelines and sometimes letting them make fundamental choices about
certain things can lead to an undesirable outcome.

Case in point, your parents apparently let you learn manners all on
your own and now we as a society are stuck dealing with your
inappropriate behavior.

Ragnar
The Master
2009-04-30 17:20:56 UTC
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Post by J Craig
Luckily, Eat This, Not That! is here to help you order smart
and sensible food for your children when youre eating away
from home. Skip these dietary disasters to help keep your
kids lean, strong, and healthy.
From this, it is clearly implied, but I admit not flat out stated, that
this list is intended for parents to pick healthy alternatives for their
children. That is, you are already at On the Border, Ruby Tuesday,
Romanos Macaroni Grill, etc. And your goal is to pick for your child a
healthy alternative to their first choice.

Now if your kids already eat this way, great. But for the rest of us,
who's children don't, this list is utterly useless since it's a list of
foods that our children will not currently eat. As a result, I have been
accused of not knowing how to talk to my children.

If I had the luxury of months to work with my child, help them make good
choices, blah blah blah... But that is clearly not the case. The
waitress is on her way back to the table with the drinks, and I have to
talk junior into having the Home Fries instead of the Smiley Face
Potatoes... That is CLEARLY what this article is trying to provide for,
and it CLEARLY fails at it's goal.

Why am I hyper focused on "right a way" results? Because I see the
waitress walking to my table, that's why. That IS the situation this
article was written for. I'm just trying to apply it the way it was
intended, and I'm flamed for it... Go figure...
Stephanie
2009-04-30 17:41:54 UTC
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Post by The Master
Post by J Craig
Luckily, Eat This, Not That! is here to help you order smart
and sensible food for your children when youre eating away
from home. Skip these dietary disasters to help keep your
kids lean, strong, and healthy.
From this, it is clearly implied, but I admit not flat out stated,
that this list is intended for parents to pick healthy alternatives
for their children. That is, you are already at On the Border, Ruby
Tuesday, Romanos Macaroni Grill, etc. And your goal is to pick for
your child a healthy alternative to their first choice.
Now if your kids already eat this way, great. But for the rest of us,
who's children don't, this list is utterly useless since it's a list
of foods that our children will not currently eat. As a result, I
have been accused of not knowing how to talk to my children.
For the rrecord, you were the one who countered that if one spoke to their
children, they would become bored and thus not listen. That was all you.
Post by The Master
If I had the luxury of months to work with my child, help them make
good choices, blah blah blah... But that is clearly not the case.
You call working with your kids on health a luxury?
Orlando Enrique Fiol
2009-05-01 00:52:11 UTC
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Post by Stephanie
You call working with your kids on health a luxury?
He clearly has trouble working on health with his kids. How is your criticism
supposed to help him? Or, do you care more about criticizing him in order to
make yourself feel good rather than his kids?

Orlando
Stephanie
2009-05-01 00:55:56 UTC
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Post by Orlando Enrique Fiol
Post by Stephanie
You call working with your kids on health a luxury?
He clearly has trouble working on health with his kids. How is your
criticism supposed to help him? Or, do you care more about
criticizing him in order to make yourself feel good rather than his
kids?
Orlando
I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other. I dont know him well
enough to say he has trouble working on health with his kids. His cryptic
responses could mean anything. Far be it from me to try to "help" him with
anything unless he deems me someone he is interested in being helped by. We
had a spirited conversation about a stupid article in a stupid magazine.
Viva la net!
Orlando Enrique Fiol
2009-05-01 01:26:58 UTC
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Post by Stephanie
I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other. I dont know him well
enough to say he has trouble working on health with his kids. His cryptic
responses could mean anything. Far be it from me to try to "help" him with
anything unless he deems me someone he is interested in being helped by.
Your opinions seemed to be delivered in a very spirited manner. Are you sure
you're not getting worked up over this?
Post by Stephanie
We had a spirited conversation about a stupid article in a stupid magazine.
Viva la net!
We're really talking about much more than a stupid article; we're talking about
what food means to us and how parenting influences food choices. We're
discussing our perpetuation of the sedentary culture that has made today's kids
so obese. I think we're talking about important stuff here.

Orlando
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